Philip II and the Griffin

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  1. Theodosius

    Theodosius Fine Style Seeker

    Here is a cool provincial coin I picked up at the ANA Spring show in Orlando last week. I really liked the reverse type and the fact that Philip is depicted bare headed. I don't think I saw any threads on the ANA show. I had work obligations and could not go until Saturday. There were supposed to be a dozen ancient dealers present. Some had left by Saturday but I did get to spend time with 6 dealers and scored a number of nice coins. The show seemed to have only moderate traffic on Saturday, the dealers said Thursday and Friday were busier. Did any other coin talk folks go?

    Philip II Tomis 1a.jpg

    Moesia, Tomis
    Philip II, A.D. 244-249
    AE 26, 11.29 gm
    Obverse: Bare headed and cuirassed bust right.
    Reverse: Griffin seated facing left, right foreleg on wheel.
    Varbanov 5781

    Post any coins with Griffins or Philip II.

    John
     
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  3. Bing

    Bing Illegitimi non carborundum Supporter

    That's a great griffin and a really good portrait of PII.
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    THRACE, ABDERA
    Tetrobol
    OBVERSE: Griffin springing left
    REVERSE: Magistrate's name around linear border, within which head of Hermes l., caduceus before; all in incuse square
    Struck at Abdera 411-385 BC
    2.780g, 15mm
    May 279
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    PHILIP II
    AR Antoninianus
    OBVERSE: M IVL PHILIPPVS CAES, radiate, draped and cuirassed bust right
    REVERSE: PRINCIPI IVVENT, the prince standing left, holding globe & spear
    Struck at Rome, 245 AD
    3.8g, 22mm
    RIC 218d
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    PHILIP II
    AR Antoninianus
    OBVERSE: M IVL PHILIPPVS CAES, radiate, draped and cuirassed bust right
    REVERSE: PRINCIPI IVVENT - Philip II standing right, holding spear and globe
    Struck at Rome, 245 AD
    5.1g, 22.5mm
    RIC 216c (Philip I), C 54
     
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  4. icerain

    icerain Mastir spellyr

    Nice, oddly enough I just happened to see a nice griffin coin online a minute ago. Here is my only griffin for now.

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  5. chrsmat71

    chrsmat71 I LIKE TURTLES!

    lovely color and a cool griffon!

    i have a philip ii with a pegasus....but i don't have a single griffon. :confused: on the list.

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  6. zumbly

    zumbly Ha'ina 'ia mai ana ka puana

    That's a damned nice coin! The black patina and excellent style of the Griffin make for a really eye-catching coin.
     
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  7. Ancient Aussie

    Ancient Aussie Well-Known Member

    My only Philip II, Zeugma, Commagene, 29mm, countermark (eagle), SNG Copenhagen 35. 103265-1 (2) - Copy.jpeg
     
  8. Sallent

    Sallent Live long and prosper

    My only Philip II

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  9. randygeki

    randygeki Coin Collector

    Oh sweet! Nice addition and great coins all.
     
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  10. stevex6

    stevex6 Random Mayhem

    Sweet!! ... Theodosius, that is an awesome OP-winner!! (congrats)

    :rolleyes:

    Yah, wow ... I'm very jealous of that cool gryphon-example! (yummy-yummy)

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    Thrace Abdera Gryphon.jpg Ionia Teos Gryphon.jpg griffin & horse.jpg L Papi.jpg Tessera Egypt Serapis and Griffin.jpg Marcus Griffin a.jpg Marcus Griffin b.jpg



    Theodosius => congrats again on that fantastic OP-Gryphon!!

    Griffins/Gryphons ROCK!!
     
  11. TIF

    TIF Always learning.

    Wow, that is a fantastic coin! I'd have bought it in a heartbeat. The griffin is the most artistic I've seen :). The portrait of Philip II is outstanding too.

    Here's another cool griffin, a recent pickup and a new favorite:
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    TROAS, Alexandria. Trebonianus Gallus
    CE 251-253
    AE 21 mm, 4.76 gm
    Obv: IMP VIB TREB GALVS AV; laureate, draped and cuirassed bust right
    Rev: COL AV / TROA; Apollo, head right and holding kithara, seated facing on griffin springing right, head left
    Ref: RPC IX 407; Bellinger A403

    A nice Philip II struck in Roman Egypt:
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    EGYPT, Alexandria. Philip II as Caesar
    Regnal year 4 of Philip I, CE 246/7
    billion tetradrachm, 22 mm, 12.8 gm
    Obv: MIOVΦIΛIΠΠOCKCEB; cuirassed bust right, bare head
    Rev: Hermanubis standing facing, head right, winged caduceus in right arm and palm branch in left hand; jackal (looking more like Disney's Pluto) left at feet; L-Δ
    Ref: Emmett 3592.4(Caesar); Milne 3676; Dattari-Savio pl. 264, 5079

    A nice seated griffin on an AR fractional of Teos:
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    IONIA, Teos
    AR diobol (reduced standard), 10 mm, 0.98 gm
    Obv: seated griffin right, paw raised
    Rev: lyre, THI, magistrate’s name
     
  12. lordmarcovan

    lordmarcovan 48-year collector Moderator

    Oh. Heck. Yeah!

    I really dig griffins. Always have.

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  13. Ajax

    Ajax Well-Known Member

    That's an awesome coin. What do you suppose happened to the obverse?
     
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  14. TIF

    TIF Always learning.

    Best guess: the coin was struck and stuck to the hammer die (the reverse), and was struck again with the hammer+stuck-on coin, slamming down in a slightly different position the second time. That would leave the reverse intact (and perhaps more deeply struck) but would show as an offset/doublestrike on the obverse.
     
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  15. Ajax

    Ajax Well-Known Member

    Ahh I see thanks. It's a great coin. The C and O on the reverse is that die shift or is it just normal for the period? I really don't know a lot about roman provincials.
     
  16. TIF

    TIF Always learning.

    I'm not sure. Since that "shift" is only on a few of the reverse letters, I wonder if it was just engraved that way.
     
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  17. Ajax

    Ajax Well-Known Member

    Yeah I dunno there was just another thread the other day that had similar characteristics on the letters and someone said die shift so just wondering :)
     
  18. Theodosius

    Theodosius Fine Style Seeker

    Steve: You have quite the stable of griffins!

    One of my favorite mythological beasts.

    TIF: Love the Trebonianus! Apollo riding him AND playing the kithara is super bowl half time worthy.

    :)
     
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  19. Mikey Zee

    Mikey Zee Delenda Est Carthago

    Absolutely...and so do all the posts!!!

    Sadly, I seem to have been unable to grab one......but there's always a Philip II ANT---Dad and son holding court, seated on curule chairs; RIC 230:

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  20. Alegandron

    Alegandron "ΤΩΙ ΚΡΑΤΙΣΤΩΙ..." ΜΕΓΑΣ ΑΛΕΞΑΝΔΡΟΣ, June 323 BCE

    Great, actually SUPER Griffin @Theodosius ... nice detail!

    I have a couple Griffins...

    Terrible pic from seller, I have to re-shoot... But it is a gorgeous coin in-hand.
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    Thrace Pantikapaion 4th C BC, AE 20 Pan head - Griffin forepart BMC 869

    RR L Papius serratus 79 BCE Juno Sospita goat skin JUG Griffon Sear 311 Craw 384-1.jpg
    RR L Papius serratus 79 BCE Juno Sospita goat skin JUG Griffon Sear 311 Craw 384/1

    Sicily Kainon AE Tetras 20mm 6.7g Griffon - Horse Prancing SNG COP 133.JPG
    Sicily Kainon AE Tetras 20mm 6.7g Griffon - Horse Prancing SNG COP 133
     
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