Won this SULLA today

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  1. Alegandron

    Alegandron "ΤΩΙ ΚΡΑΤΙΣΤΩΙ..." ΜΕΓΑΣ ΑΛΕΞΑΝΔΡΟΣ, June 323 BCE

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  3. Volodya

    Volodya Junior Member

    Occam's Razor more than anything else. We know there are numbered dies, and from other, unambiguous examples we know that sometimes the number is barred (though surprisingly not always.) We know of no other possible letters, ambiguous or otherwise, other than for obvious reasons V and X. Secondarily, at least one other early number (I think III, from memory) occurs on the Cr-367/1 configuration, implying that that legend is the earliest part of the issue, so I is not unexpected.
     
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  4. Orfew

    Orfew Draco dormiens nunquam titillandus

    @Alegandron
    Very nice coin. Sulla is definitely on my list.
     
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  5. Alegandron

    Alegandron "ΤΩΙ ΚΡΑΤΙΣΤΩΙ..." ΜΕΓΑΣ ΑΛΕΞΑΝΔΡΟΣ, June 323 BCE

    Thank you. I enjoy chasing historical junctures.
     
  6. Severus Alexander

    Severus Alexander find me at NumisForums

    The history contained in this type is phenomenal. Awesome!

    Here's mine, followed by the historical writeup currently in my database (could be somewhat plagiarized...):

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    As consul for the year 88 BC, Sulla was awarded the coveted assignment of suppressing the revolt of Mithradates VI of Pontus, but political maneuvers resulted in this assignment being transferred to Marius. In response, Sulla turned his army on Rome, captured it, and reclaimed his command against Mithradates. His prosecution of the first Mithradatic War was successful, but he spared the Pontic king for personal gain. In 83 BC, Sulla returned to Italy as an outlaw, but he was able to win the support of many of the leading Romans. Within a year he fought his way to Rome, where he was elected dictator. It was during this campaign to Rome that this denarius was struck. The obverse type represents Sulla's claim to be acting in Rome's best interest. The reverse shows Sulla enjoying the highest honor to which a Roman could aspire, the celebration of a triumph at Rome. The moneyer, Lucius Manlius Torquatus, was a proquaestor serving under Sulla in the Mithridatic wars.

    And here is an issue of one of Sulla's grandsons, Q. Pompeius Rufus, celebrating the memory of his illustrious but controversial grandfather in 54 BC:

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    Quintus Pompeius Rufus was the grandson of Sulla through his daughter Cornelia Sulla. His grandfather was a supporter of Sulla, and shared the consulship with him in 88 BC. When civil war broke out the same year, Marius forced him out of the consulship, and his son (our Pompeius's father) was murdered by Marians. Sulla officially assigned Italy to Pompeius, but the latter was murdered after taking command of Gnaeus Pompeius Strabo's troops. Thus our young Pompeius was deprived of both his father and grandfather the same year.

    Pompeius was tribune of the plebs in 52 BC and although he was Caesar's brother in law (through his sister Pompeia), he supported Pompey in the civil war. The last instance in which the sources mention Pompeius is that in 51 BC his enemies spread false rumors that he had murdered Cicero on his way to Cilicia.
     
  7. Nemo

    Nemo Well-Known Member

    I missed my target today in the Triskeles auction but it's nice to see others were more successful than I. I don't know much about these types but I happen to have one from years ago. I have it listed as Crawford 367/5 but I'm sure it was a cut and paste from the listing.

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  8. ancientcoinguru

    ancientcoinguru Well-Known Member

    I have grandpa Sulla, which I just picked up this weekend at the ANA National Money Show.
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    151 BC, Publius Cornelius Sulla
    AR denarius 3.83gm - 18mm
    Obv: Helmeted hd of Roma r.
    Rev: Victory in biga r, P SVLA below, ROMA in ex.
    Reference: SR84, Crawford 205/1, Syd 386

    And I have a denarius issued by the son of dictator Sulla.
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    56 BC, Faustus Cornelius Sulla
    AR denarius 3.8 gm - 20 mm
    Obv: Diad. Head of young right, clad in lion's skin, S C behind, sometimes accompanied by FAVSTVS monogram
    Rev: Globe surrounded by four wreaths, aplustre and ear of corn in lower field
    Reference: SR385, Crawford 426/4b, Syd 883
     
  9. Orfew

    Orfew Draco dormiens nunquam titillandus

    @ancientcoinguru

    I love the toning on the first coin. A great example, congrats!
     
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  10. Ajax

    Ajax Well-Known Member

    @Alegandron nice score!
    Sweet coins guru. Twice in ten minutes I see this type for the first time on different threads. Funny how that works out. Time to start saving I suppose.
     
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  11. chrsmat71

    chrsmat71 I LIKE TURTLES!

    nice gandalf! i'd love to get a sulla coin.

    i guess this cat was an enemy of his....


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  12. randygeki

    randygeki Coin Collector

    An excellent addition!

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  13. stevex6

    stevex6 Random Mayhem

    Nice!! => Gandalf, congrats on scoring the cool OP-Sculla!! (total winner)

    Sadly, I don't have a Sculla example ... umm, how 'bout a sweet Scully? (can I join the club?)

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  14. Alegandron

    Alegandron "ΤΩΙ ΚΡΑΤΙΣΤΩΙ..." ΜΕΓΑΣ ΑΛΕΞΑΝΔΡΟΣ, June 323 BCE

    Yeah, she will do...
     
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  15. Alegandron

    Alegandron "ΤΩΙ ΚΡΑΤΙΣΤΩΙ..." ΜΕΓΑΣ ΑΛΕΞΑΝΔΡΟΣ, June 323 BCE

    Avatar! Well played!
     
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  16. TJC

    TJC Well-Known Member

    Great Sulla Alegandron!!! Congrats!!!
    And cheers for all the other awesome Sullas!!
    I too am Sulla fan! The guy should be as famous as JC, yet I had never heard of him until I found a coin of him online and started doing research. I then read G. P. Bakers, Sulla the Fortunate; good book, btw. What an awesome historical figure! Sulla sums it well with his own epitaph: "No greater friend. No worse enemy."
    Yeah, Sulla rocks!!!

    Here are more:

    This is my first catch. Fairly worn, but still a nice one in my book:)
    SullaDenariusO3.jpg SullaDenariusR3.jpg

    This is my upgrade:) I super love this coin, the iridescent tone is better in hand, but I am still on the lookout for one with a clear 'SULLA' legend.
    SullaTMan525xO1.jpg SullaTMan500xRx1.jpg

    And last but not least, yet surely the most worn, is type that I didn't think I would be able to afford for a long time until this piece came up for sale.

    My favorite lowball!!!! :):):) How many millennia did this silver coin exchange as money??

    Faustus Cornelius Sulla. AR Denarius Rome, 56 BC.
    O: FAVSTVS , diademed and draped bust of Diana right, crescent above, lituus behind.
    Rx: FELIX , Sulla seated left on raised platform between King Bocchus of Mauretania on left, presenting him with wreath, and King Jugurta of Numidia on right, hands bound behind him, both kneeling.
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  17. Alegandron

    Alegandron "ΤΩΙ ΚΡΑΤΙΣΤΩΙ..." ΜΕΓΑΣ ΑΛΕΞΑΝΔΡΟΣ, June 323 BCE

    Well done! very nice! LOL, I ALMOST forgot his epitaph... so cool!
     
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  18. Carthago

    Carthago Does this look infected to you?

    A congress of Sulla's

    Faustus Cornelius Sulla 426-1 NAC 2013.jpg L Cornelius Sulla with L Manlius Torquatus 367-5 NAC 2015.jpg Faustus Cornelius Sulla 426-4b Shanna Schmidt Numismatics 2016.jpg L Cornelius Sulla 375-2 Martina Dieterle 2016.jpg
     
  19. Alegandron

    Alegandron "ΤΩΙ ΚΡΑΤΙΣΤΩΙ..." ΜΕΓΑΣ ΑΛΕΞΑΝΔΡΟΣ, June 323 BCE

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  20. TJC

    TJC Well-Known Member

    Wow! This thread is packed with over the top awesome Sulla coins!!!! Nice additions Carthago!
     
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  21. Severus Alexander

    Severus Alexander find me at NumisForums

    @Carthago wins the internet today. Those are sweet.

    I will have to get a copy of that. I usually find well-researched historical fiction even more fun to read... if you haven't read Colleen McCullough's Masters of Rome series, it is a must. Sulla is a major character in the first three books.
     
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