Hello friends, question on authenticity of Ptolemy coin

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  1. Svarog

    Svarog Well-Known Member

    Hello friends,

    what do you think, is it authentic or electrotype? FullSizeRender-1.jpg FullSizeRender-2.jpg FullSizeRender-3.jpg FullSizeRender-4.jpg FullSizeRender-5.jpg FullSizeRender-6.jpg FullSizeRender-7.jpg FullSizeRender-8.jpg FullSizeRender-9.jpg FullSizeRender-13.jpg FullSizeRender-1.jpg FullSizeRender-2.jpg FullSizeRender-3.jpg FullSizeRender-4.jpg FullSizeRender-5.jpg FullSizeRender-6.jpg FullSizeRender-7.jpg FullSizeRender-8.jpg FullSizeRender-9.jpg FullSizeRender-13.jpg I am a bit concerned about edges, what do you think? thank you in advance for you input!
     
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  3. Bing

    Bing Illegitimi non carborundum Supporter

    The edge looks fine as does the rest of the coin IMHO.
     
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  4. Svarog

    Svarog Well-Known Member

    Thank you Bing
     
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  5. Sallent

    Sallent Live long and prosper

    Looking at yours and comparing it to mine, I see nothing suspicious. What is the weight and dimensions of your hockey puck?

    Here is mine again!
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  6. Svarog

    Svarog Well-Known Member

    Hi Sallent, 40mm, 72.5 grams
    What about the edges, a bit tooled, no or this is normal?
     
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  7. John Anthony

    John Anthony Ultracrepidarian

    You frequently see these types of edges on Ptolemaic bronzes. It's just how they were trimmed. See this site for more information. Click through all the pages for a good lesson on lathe-turned ancient flans...

    http://www.classicalcoins.com/flans1.html
     
  8. Svarog

    Svarog Well-Known Member

    Thank you so much!
     
  9. Svarog

    Svarog Well-Known Member

    Hi Friends, just want to follow up with you and see if anyone else want express their opinion regarding authenticity of the coin above.
    Much appreciated
    thanks
     
  10. Ken Dorney

    Ken Dorney Yea, I'm Cool That Way...

    I have never seen one with an edge like this before, and it should concern you. Everything else about the coin looks fine from the photo, but you need more than our opinions based on your very good pictures. It needs to be seen in person. I suggest you send it to David Sear and pay the price of authentication.
     
  11. Svarog

    Svarog Well-Known Member

    Thank you Ken, much appreciated
     
  12. David@PCC

    David@PCC allcoinage.com

    I'm want to say it's ok. I have never seen those markings on a coin either but don't think it's a copy. These do often come with bevelled edges. Here's one I sold recently 42mm 69g.
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  13. Svarog

    Svarog Well-Known Member

    I see, thank you David, John Anthony provided a link to the website that talks about the edge marks:

    http://www.classicalcoins.com/flans1.html

    I just want to make sure its legit, just sent an email to NGC's and HA's specialists, lets see what they have to say.

    Thanks again for your feedback
     
  14. Svarog

    Svarog Well-Known Member

    Hi Ken, what do you think about this online resource, which discusses edge markings on Ptolemy coins,

    http://www.classicalcoins.com/flans1.html

    It was provided by John Anthony -thank you
     
  15. Sallent

    Sallent Live long and prosper

    I would not be too concerned with a sloppy edge as quality control began to decline markedly by this time period. However, it never hurts to check. My edge is much less sloppy on my coin, but that could be due to a mint worker that cared about his job, or maybe the guy that worked on mine was having a good day on that occasion.
     
  16. Svarog

    Svarog Well-Known Member

    Thanks Sallent
     
  17. Ken Dorney

    Ken Dorney Yea, I'm Cool That Way...

    It's a good very introductory site to give you some general guidelines, but it really doesnt show much past that. The beveled edges dont raise any alarm for me, it is the rotary looking nicks at the very edge that I have never seen before. I am certainly no expert on these but I have handled many thousands of them and not seen them before. A coin of this size, weight and quality should be worth anywhere from $400-600, more in the right auction or dealer tray. For that value I really think you should send it to Sear or someone else who can give you a better opinion past your photos. It would be a good investment. And of course it could be that it has simply been fooled with, not tooled really, but something done to it to make it look as it does now.
     
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  18. gregarious

    gregarious E Pluribus Unum

    they will say... pay us man we don't do this for our heatlh. you know the routine:)this place and theses peeps here are experts and professionals and you can bank on pretty much what they say and its the only place that's free as far as i know
     
  19. Bing

    Bing Illegitimi non carborundum Supporter

    But without the coin in-hand, we are only giving opinions based on the images provided. If you paid a lot, your best bet is someone like David Sear. He will charge you $50, but you can rest assured about his opinion.
     
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  20. Svarog

    Svarog Well-Known Member

    Anyone else has an opinion about the coin? thanks again, much appreciate your input
     
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