Copper Proof coin from 1791 - British East India Company 1 1/2 Pice

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  1. The Meat man

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    It's not every day I am able to add a proof coin to my collection - still less, one from the 18th century! Which is why I'm particularly delighted to be able to present this coin: a 1791 copper proof 1.5 pice, minted for the British East India Company and bearing its bale mark:

    EIC 1791 1 and a half Pice.jpg
    BRITISH INDIA
    Bombay Presidency
    CU Proof 1½ Pice (29.0mm, 9.71g, 6h)
    Dated 1791. Soho mint, Handsworth, England
    Obverse: United East India Company bale mark, with date below
    Reverse: Balanced scales, Persian legend “balanced” or “just” between
    References: Numista 50421
    Mintage: unknown
    In PCGS encapsulation, graded PR63 BN. Only two proof specimens graded higher by PCGS, none by NGC.

    The Bombay Presidency was a province of British India covering approximately 188,000 square miles along the western coast of India. It began as a Crown possession acquired in 1661 through the marriage of King Charles II and Catherine of Braganza, sister of the king of Portugal. In 1668, Charles II granted control of the territory to the East India Company, which administered the region with some oversight from the British government. Not all of this territory, however, was under direct British rule; within the Bombay Presidency were numerous semi-autonomous princely states administered by local Indian rulers, who helped maintain order and open trade in exchange for British support and protection.

    This coin obviously fits well with my collecting interest in the age of exploration, discovery, and colonialization. It's remarkable to think that even in 1791, the EIC had been in existence for nearly two hundred years.

    And why not, I'll throw in another favorite EIC coin:

    Victoria EIC 1840 rupee.jpg
    BRITISH EAST INDIA COMPANY, 1600-1874
    AR Rupee (30.5mm, 11.66g, 1h)
    Dated 1840. Bombay or Calcutta mint
    Obverse: VICTORIA QUEEN, bust of young Queen Victoria left, wearing fillet; W.W. along neck truncation
    Reverse: EAST INDIA COMPANY around wreath containing ONE RUPEE in two lines, Arabic translation below; 1840 along bottom
    References: Numista 24095
    Mintage: 398,554,000
    In PCGS encapsulation, graded MS62
    Attractively toned. The British East India Company was founded in 1600 and over time grew to become the largest and most powerful corporation in the world, empowered to acquire territories, mint its own coinage, conduct diplomacy, and wage war. The East India Company maintained its own standing army, which at one point numbered more than a quarter million troops – twice the size of the regular British Army. After the Battle of Plassey in 1757 the EIC extended its control over much of the Indian subcontinent as well as Hong Kong, which it maintained until the British Government assumed direct rule over India following the Indian Mutiny of 1857. In the following years, the East India Company rapidly declined, and the company that once accounted for half of the world’s trade was finally dissolved in 1874. The London Times offered this obituary of the EIC: “It accomplished a work such as in the whole history of the human race no other trading Company ever attempted, and such as none, surely, is likely to attempt in the years to come.”

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    Thanks for taking a look! Feel free to comment and/or post your own EIC coins, early proof coins, or anything else related!
     
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  3. Tall Paul

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    Similar design on one side and almost 100 years after your coin was minted. Prf-62
    I do not have any 18th century proof coins, but I'll keep trying.
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  4. The Meat man

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    Oh wow! Now that is a beauty! :wideyed:

    Here is my much more humble version:

    IBEAC 1888 Rupee.jpg
    IMPERIAL BRITISH EAST AFRICA COMPANY
    AR Rupee (30.3mm, 11.65g, 6h)
    Dated 1888. Heaton & Sons mint, Birmingham, UK
    Obverse: Crowned sun above ribbon reading LIGHT AND LIBERTY; ONE RUPEE above, MOMBASA below
    Reverse: IMPERIAL BRITISH EAST AFRICA COMPANY above pair of scales; in between scales, Arabic inscription عدل [Justice]; below, H over · 1888 ·
    References: Numista 17050
    Mintage: 94,000
    Rich cabinet toning. The Imperial British East Africa Company (IBEAC) was founded in 1888 with the goal of developing British trade and influence in the territory of East Africa. With oversight of nearly a quarter million square miles, the IBEAC was also responsible for administration and given quasi-governmental powers. In 1890, the IBEAC began work on a 600-mile road in preparation for a railway that was to connect the port of Mombasa with the distant border of Uganda. However, conflict with rival interests led to a civil war which halted the project, and ultimately led to the company's bankruptcy and dissolution in 1896.
     
  5. Tall Paul

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    Mine is pretty, but yours has personality.
     
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  6. lordmarcovan

    lordmarcovan Eclectic numismatist Moderator

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  7. The Meat man

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    Gorgeous Georgius! I was hoping you'd weigh in. :) I love that Bermuda ship, and the cameo effect on the Hibernia is simply stunning!
     
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  8. lordmarcovan

    lordmarcovan Eclectic numismatist Moderator

    Ahh, you should have seen the gilt proof 1805 Irish Hibernia penny (full large penny, not halfpenny) that I once owned. It was NGC PR64 UCAM and incredible. Alas, I no longer have photos of it. It is my #1 "seller's remorse" coin.
     
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  9. lordmarcovan

    lordmarcovan Eclectic numismatist Moderator

    Gorgeous Georgius! Ha! That’ll be my name for these coins from now on!
     
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  10. lordmarcovan

    lordmarcovan Eclectic numismatist Moderator

    PS- I really love those EIC 1840 rupees with the young Victoria. I used to have a nice UNC but it was raw (unencapsulated). I’d like another someday, similar to yours.
     
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  11. lordmarcovan

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    Oh, hey. Just remembered this other one from the "used to be mine" files.

    I may not have pictures of the gilt Irish penny I once owned, but here's a gilt British halfpenny I once had. It was the top-pop example for a time. I sure miss this one too. It was a monster.

    Boy, these old Soho mint proofs (especially the gilt ones) really knock me out. Dang, I've gotta get another gilt example one day.

    Great Britain: gilt copper proof halfpenny of George III, Soho Mint, 1806
    GB-Gilt-halfpenny-1806-082000-coin-800x500.png GB-Gilt-halfpenny-1806-082000-slab.jpg
     
  12. The Meat man

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    Wow, fantastic piece! How common are these gilt versions? Do you know if they were gilded at the mint, or by some other third party?
     
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  13. lordmarcovan

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    They’re not exactly common, but they’re out there if you look around long enough. Good question re. the gilding. I don’t know for sure, but I surmise it was done by the mint. These were issued as presentation pieces, in little metal holders that often survived with the coins over 200 years, which is how so many of the coins remained in pristine condition. Your EIC proof above might have been issued in one of those little holders, for all I know. Let’s tag @yarm and see what wisdom he has.

    @yarm - show him some of those little shell holders, if you see this, and have pics handy. Also, would his East India Co. piece have been issued in one? Thanks.
     
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  14. yarm

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    I've seen copper shells (with silver interiors) on British farthings through the 2P. They did a nice job of preserving proofs!

    I haven't seen shells with the East India pieces but if it's SOHO, they likely exist.

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  15. lordmarcovan

    lordmarcovan Eclectic numismatist Moderator

    Thanks. None of mine has ever come with the shell.
     
  16. Coinsandmedals

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    The Soho Mint was a recognized authority on both gilding and bronzing. In fact, their method was still a topic of interest in communication with other mints even in the late 1820s when Soho’s production of coins, medals, and tokens had come to a meandering crawl. The proofs discussed above and included in my post were all gilt or bronzed at the Soho Mint. However, there are also unofficially gilt pieces floating around, but these are easily discernible by their relatively poor quality.

    The shells are an interesting piece of Soho Mint history. It is important to note that not all proofs (coins, tokens, or medals) were issued in shells. On the contrary, the evidence suggests that the bulk were not (at least the coins and tokens). For instance, the 1.5 Pice pictured above was almost certainly never paired with shells, as its production likely predates their existence.

    The Soho Mint is my sole numismatic obsession, and the shells have been an ongoing area of specific interest for years. I’ll include a few relevant examples. All of these pieces, pictured below, are from the James Watt Jr. Collection and are most aptly described as “late Soho” (i.e., they were struck at the Soho Mint sometime after the date they were originally commissioned). A large portion of the Watt Jr collection was preserved in shells and inscribed wrappers.

    The last picture is of a medal with silvered tin shells. I have several pieces with gilt interior shells, but my camera setup is not equipped to handle pieces so large (63mm). I also have a handful of pieces with what appear to be early “prototype” shells. I could not find my images of these, but I will update this post if/when I do.

    I should note that John took much better pictures of the Gold Coast set at FUN, but I haven’t had a chance to replace my images with his in the composites.

    1804 (AH1219) India Pice Bombay Presidency Ex James Watt Jr. PF-67 BN 4494270004 EDITED.jpg 1803 India Madras 10 Cash with shells & wrapper - Ex. Watt.jpg 1808 India 10 Cash Madras with shells & wrapper - Ex. Watt.jpg 5.1 1796 African Gold Coast Bronzed Proof Ackey with shells & wrapper - ex. Watt NGC PF-66 BN.jpg 5.2 1796 African Gold Coast Quart. Ackey with shells & wrapper Ex. Watt NGC PF-67 BN.jpg 5.3 1796 African Gold Coast Bronzed Proof Tackoe with shells & wrapper Ex. Wattt NGC PF-67 BN.jpg 1830 Soho Mint Royal Visit Silver Medal NGC PF-66 Ultra Cameo - Ex. Watt Jr. with Shells.jpg
     
  17. lordmarcovan

    lordmarcovan Eclectic numismatist Moderator

    WOW!!! Thank you for that!

    I love this Soho stuff, but make no pretense at all of scholarship. I’m glad there are collectors like you out there.
     
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  18. The Meat man

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    Super cool coins! Thanks for sharing them and your knowledge!
     
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  19. Coinsandmedals

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    Thanks! Do you have a copy of the book on the EIC Bombay coinage by Paul Stevens?
     
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  20. The Meat man

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    No, I don't. Looks interesting, though!
     
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  21. Coinsandmedals

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    I’ll take a look tomorrow to see if I can narrow down the specific variety of your coin. Would you be willing to DM me the cert number so I can access the TrueView image?
     
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