The virtual 7070 thread sparked my interest. I was working on it a while back - in fact a good decade ago! 2016 and 2018. Photos proved to be a challenge as I didn't want to deal with copyright dramas. But I might as well show what I did in the past. Note that photos are from numista - none are mine!
I don't own a 7070. This is just a concept type set album. My dislike of the 7070 is that it is arranged by denomination. What I tried to do is to illustrate it by types which presents its own set of challenges as the timelines don't necessarily line up. But who wouldn't want to see a set of seated liberty or a liberty head in a group?
I did not like the album either, BUT at the same time I like the concept of type set. It gets me a little bit of everything. All you have to do is collect the coins then get good pictures and arrange the pictures for presentation. I am not sure why I did this one a while back. My problem is I see nice stuff and just add it - so I have like multiples in a series. Like how many half cents do you really need.
Interesting, I've never seen someone mention not liking the coin order of the 7070. In general, the default order of most type sets. Obviously there are probably a handful of good ways to order a type set, but I personally have never tried ordering by anything but ascending [denom] and within that ascending [year]. Can you please expand upon this. When you say "types" what are you referring to? Designer? General obverse design characteristics (faces, bodies, left vs right facing, themes, etc)? I am not recognizing the pattern / order you chose when I review your virtual 7070.
If you look at what Dansco has produced for countries, it's significantly different. The US Dansco type set has the coins arranged by denomination. Most other world albums would have the coins arranged by sets which would align closely to the era that were issued. For instance if you were alive in around 1850s, you would expect to see a set of liberty head / seated liberty. It's definitely more challenging to arrange US type set but I'll give it a go.
It makes a lot of sense now that you say it. I'm interested in what you come up with for the order of groupings.
Fun stuff! I’m glad the Virtual 7070 project spurred some interest. Mission accomplished. I arrange my collections chronologically. While that arrangement doesn’t always line up perfectly by type and denomination, it does tend to loosely group similar types together due to the timeline. While it may look a little odd for my US coins, as folks are more accustomed to seeing a lineup based on denomination and type, I find the chronological sorting works better for my World and Ancient coins. And I’m a bit more of a World & Ancients guy than a US coins guy. But I’m eclectic and all over the map- literally. I love it all.
I think chronologically by type changes would be a good way to do it. You would better see the changes made by the mint over time and what various denomination types were in circulation through the years. Putting all the nickels together for example doesn't show you that.
Yeah, but I go chronologically by date, simply because that’s what works best across my entire collection: Ancient, World, and US.
I think that's what I meant. So a small subset for example would be: 1834 Classic Head $2.50 Gold 1834 Classic Head $5 Gold 1836 Liberty Seated Dollar 1837 Liberty Seated Half Dime 1837 Liberty Seated Dime 1838 Liberty Seated Quarter 1838 Liberty Head $10 Gold 1839 Liberty Seated Half Dollar 1839 Liberty Head $5 Gold 1840 Liberty Head $2.50 Gold 1849 Liberty Head Dollar Gold 1851 Three Cent Silver 1854 Indian Princess Dollar Gold 1854 Three Dollar Gold 1856 Flying Eagle Cent 1859 Indian Cent 1864 Two Cent 1865 Three Cent Nickel 1866 Shield Nickel 1873 Trade Dollar 1875 Twenty Cent 1878 Morgan Dollar 1883 Liberty Nickel I probably messed something up and I didn't include No Arrows etc stuff (I don't have a 7070 to look at) and I guess there's with and without gold to consider. Maybe someone wants to fill in the rest? Anyway, it's interesting to see it this way and how the mint jumped around changing denominations.
I was reviewing the timeline of when various coins were released. It's quite interesting to see the overlap. I understand why Dansco had to design their album the way they did. I'm not well versed in US history. I'm sure various events such as civil war, industrialization etc all played some roles. My personal opinion is that current album designs do not represent different eras well. There's always different ways to present. Wouldn't hurt to see things in a different light.
Question: By "chronologically" do you mean by the DATE on your specific coin for the Type, or by when the series STARTED for your US Coins? Reason I ask, is that if you take a series that been running uninterrupted for 50 or 100 years, and you have an example towards the END of that timespan, and you order it by the date on the coin, well that might make the chronological order a bit whacky with the groupings. Good arguments for doing it either way I suppose, I am curious how YOU do it for your set.
I sort chronologically by the date that particular coin was struck. But for some stuff I collect (ancients, for example), that info can be vague. I’ll line my ancients up according to the earliest date in their timespan. Take, for example, the first two coins listed in my ancients collection. The Syracusan octopus litra might actually be older than the Phokaia hekte, but since we cannot know their exact dates- only a range- I put the hekte first, because the earliest date in its range is slightly earlier than the earliest date in the litra’s range, by eight years. Chronological sorting by coin date, not type, is the only thing that consistently makes sense across my entire collection, which spans 25 centuries. It only starts to look wonky in my US collection, merely because people are more accustomed to seeing those sorted by denomination and type. I sort by coin date first, THEN alphabetically by country name (in the World stuff), THEN by denomination, and only after that would I sort by type, as I would have to do if there were both an 1883 Shield nickel and an 1883 Liberty nickel in my collection, for example. The Shield nickel would go first, obviously.
I meant chronologically with the first date for each type, because "the sky's the limit", but obviously a very expensive undertaking for a 1794 dollar etc. But you could label them with a date range for the type, in order chronologically, and then put any date in the hole. I got stuck on this notion when collecting the Barber dime hub type anomalies and then decided to get the first and last date for the overall types. So I picked up an 1892 and 1916 for the first Rev1 and last Rev3 even though there weren't any anomalies in those years. You could also do a first and last with the overall type set. So many interesting ways to collect.
Do other countries more frequently change the designs for all denominations at once? (I know about British coins and royals, but not much about others.) In the US, I think things are a little too chaotic for that arrangement to make sense. Just in the 20th century, we had these design changes (and I'm aware I'm leaving some out): Cent: 1909 (Indian -> Lincoln obverse), 1943 (steel), 1944-46 ("shell case" alloy), 1959 (Memorial reverse), 1962 (bronze -> brass) Nickel: 1913 (Liberty -> Indian/Buffalo), 1938 (Jefferson/Monticello), 1942-1945 (wartime composition/mint-mark placement), 1968 (mint-mark placement) Dime: 1916 (Barber -> Mercury), 1946 (Mercury -> FDR), 1965 (clad) Quarter: 1916 (Barber -> SLQ), 1932 (Washington), 1965 (clad), 1990s (whenever they went over to the noodle hair), 1999 (start of the State Quarters) Half: 1916 (Barber -> Walker), 1948 (Walker -> Franklin), 1964 (Franklin -> JFK), 1965 (40% clad), 1968 (MM placement), 1971 (no mo silver) Dollar: 1921 (Morgan -> Peace), 1971 (Ike), 1979 (SBA), 2000 (Sac), and that's not even counting all the intervals where none of any type were struck Other than 1916 (end of Barbers) and the big composition change in 1964, few of these changes line up with each other. A "teens" set could have a Liberty or Buffalo nickel, Barber or Mercury dime, Barber or SLQ, Barber or Walker, and no dollar at all. A "twenties" set would have only one choice for cent, nickel, dime, quarter (ignoring SLQ sub-varieties), and half, but two choices for dollar. And so on...
Well you've both given me something to think about. I didnt even consider ordering my Type set beyond the standard (well, what I consider the 'standard') denomination order. I just wrote some quick code that took all my Type set coin photos, in the standard order, and made a copy of them renamed into 'chronological' order. I went with @KBBPLL method, as that makes more sense to me than doing it by my coins specific date. So, Chronological by the date that the coin Type (AKA coin design) was first used. Then, when there are several designs starting in the same year, ordered by smallest denomination to highest. Code did all the hard work, and I will make a new page on my site showing them this way. I agree it's a little chaotic, but I will also admit, this Sort order makes me see my own collection in a whole new light. Grouping by denomination second, and not first, is a worthy method after all. Thank you to gxseries for starting this thread.