2015 D Cent - Have I found a new error or variety coin?

Discussion in 'Error Coins' started by CREATIVECRHUNTER, Feb 23, 2017.

  1. CREATIVECRHUNTER

    CREATIVECRHUNTER Well-Known Member

    This cent was found CRH from a box ordered from the bank. Looking closely at the reverse, I am noticing something under the P and under the UN of
    E.PLURIBUS.UNUM.

    Please examine the pictures and tell me your thoughts.
    Thank you in advance for the help.
     

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  3. rickmp

    rickmp Frequently flatulent.

    Die gouges?
     
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  4. Stoneman2

    Stoneman2 New Member

    The EPU on Shield Cents are incuse on the coin so damage after the strike can go across the letters and not adversely affect them. You have damage after the strike.
     
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  5. tommyc03

    tommyc03 Senior Member

    @Stoneman While I can agree to your first sentence, both of these marks are what usually appear as die gouges in their formation/looks. If the damage were done after the fact, what could have caused such similar apearences? I do not see any of the plating disturbed by a possible scratch after the strike.
     
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  6. CREATIVECRHUNTER

    CREATIVECRHUNTER Well-Known Member

    Thank you for the incuse info. Upon re-inspection, I can now see the difference.
     
  7. lija66

    lija66 Member

    Nice pics. Good luck.
     
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  8. CREATIVECRHUNTER

    CREATIVECRHUNTER Well-Known Member

    tommyc03 are you suggesting that these are possible die gouges, regardless of the fact that the lettering of E PLURIBUS UNUM is incuse? If so, I would like further information. I have other 2015 D coin examples saved that I could add to this thread, if that would be helpful.
    In addition, I have also found this same type of anomaly on 2016 D cents. They don't resemble scratches commonly found on other parts of the coin.
     
  9. Stoneman2

    Stoneman2 New Member

    Since the letters of EPU are incuse on the coin they are in relief on the die face. A gouge in this area of the die would first affect the letter itself. Also a die gouge would be in relief on the coin. These marks appear to be recessed. A hit to the coin that had no lateral movement would not scrape the plating.
     
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  10. tommyc03

    tommyc03 Senior Member

    I was only positing it as a question based on what I've seen in the past but Stoneman's explanation is just fine. And it helped clarify my question. There is always something new to be learned (even at my age).:)
     
  11. Pickin and Grinin

    Pickin and Grinin Well-Known Member

    To determine the fact of it being a Die gouge or pmd. I look at how much lustre might be present in the affected area. In this case I say die gouge.
     
  12. Stoneman2

    Stoneman2 New Member

    For this anomaly to have occurred pre-strike the gouging would have had to have been to one of the working hubs . Then it would have been transfered to numerous working dies. The proof of the pudding would be if these exact and I mean "EXACT" , same marks were found on many coins in the exact same placement. Close does not count here. This is highly unlikely.
    As I posted before this damage could not happen in this particular spot on the coin to a working die
     
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