John Adams Matte/Satin Edged Errors

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  1. CoinNewbie

    CoinNewbie New Member

    Has anyone come across these and if so, do you have any information on them? Thanks!

    Nana
     
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  3. Treashunt

    Treashunt The Other Frank

    Nana:
    You have to describe them better.
    Do you mean plain edge?
    Double lettered edge?
    Double & inverted edge?
    etc.
     
  4. CoinNewbie

    CoinNewbie New Member

    No, I'm talking about the newest error. It is the John Adams Laser Etched Edge Errors that are coming out. Check them out on Ebay. Some are called Matte/Satin Etched Edge Errors, or Laser Etched whatever...check it out on Ebay!

    Nana
     
  5. clembo

    clembo A closed mind is no mind


    Nana,

    I know nothing about them but am glad to see that you started a thread.

    I just suggested that in another thread seconds ago.


    I'm sure you'll get some useful information.

    clembo
     
  6. gatzdon

    gatzdon Numismatist

    Interesting, this would never have called my attention due to the amount of variability already present on the edge inscriptions
     
  7. rotobeast

    rotobeast Old Newbie

    LOL

    Those are the ones I was talking about, that I had, in "Getting Ebay to pull an auction" thread.
    :D
     
  8. Treashunt

    Treashunt The Other Frank

    sorry, but I still don't see any error.
    But, perhaps it is just me.
     
  9. rotobeast

    rotobeast Old Newbie

    I honestly don't think it's an error.
    It's just not polished as well on the edge.
    I only commented because I was explaining seeing the clad layer on some of my coins, in another thread.
    ;)
     
  10. bqcoins

    bqcoins Olympic Figure Skating Scoring System Expert

    I don't see it either.
     
  11. Conder101

    Conder101 Numismatist

    I'm sure it is NOT an error. What it probably is, is a textured surface that has been applied to the surface of the edge die to try and prevent the slipping errors that have been occurring on the earlier dollars. Because of the wide space between the mintmark and the E of E PLURIBUS UNUM the coin had a tendency to slip in that area resulting in a narrowed spacing at that point and a wide gap on the other side of the coin.

    In other areas around the coin one or more of the letters of the die will be dug into the coin and provide "traction" like a tooth on a gear and stop slipping. On some of the GW dollars there were errors where the coin DID stop turning at another point and the edge would show a scooped out area where letters from the die came past and gouged material out of the edge. When the coin would start turning again traces of the last letter would be seen in the gouge. Many of these errors were discarded as post mint damage because people did not recognize what was happening. In the early days of the GW dollars I saw a lot of these errors pictured on forums and people telling them they were just damage.

    The textured surface allows the die to grip the coin better and prevent slipping.
     
  12. nickelman

    nickelman Coin Hoarder

    July 16 CoinWorld had a Picture on short article on the front page

    Here is what the article said :MINT OFFICIALS are withholding details about how the edge dies are produced for Proof and circulation and Uncirculated Mint set Presidential dollars. The Proof coins have a textured edge. (Compare image above to the image of regular Uncirculated Presidential dollars with the story to the left.)

    IMHO What people are trying to imply by calling these Unc dollars matte/Satin and laser eched is that somehow planchets intended for proof issues or where used or something to that effect.
    After searching about 50 rolls of adams dollars I have come across about 10 of these and set them aside. I'm waiting to see what is the verdict on these before I attemp to sell them cause I don't want to be ripping people off.
     
  13. nickelman

    nickelman Coin Hoarder

  14. Conder101

    Conder101 Numismatist

    The article is a month and a half old and probably uses data two months or more old. When dd the business strikes with textured edges first appear? Before or after that time? If after then it simply means that changes have been made to how they do the edges. And since as far as I know the textured edge only appears on Adams dollars this would make sense.

    The article does say that the business strike edge dies are smooth ground and do not impart a finish, but is that still true today? Also the edge dies themselves probably are NOT smooth ground, but the hubs used to create the dies probably are. (Think about it. The dies have raised letters down in a channel. How the heck are you going to grind the surface down in that channel and get up close all the way up to the letters? But on the hub that makes it the letters are incuse and the field is exposed and easy to polish. So you polish the hub an that results in a smooth finish on the die face as well.)
     
  15. hamman88

    hamman88 Spare some change, sir?

    First off, they are not new. I had 300 of them the first day they came out.

    Second, they are not errors/

    Third, most of the dollars have this.
     
  16. CoinNewbie

    CoinNewbie New Member

  17. JBK

    JBK Coin Collector

    I have one of these - I'll have to look for the telltale last letter.
     
  18. Twiggs

    Twiggs Coin Collector

    Hamman mentioned it back in May but everyone poo-poo'd him. Now they are going for over 15.00 and NGC is looking into attributing them
     
  19. hamman88

    hamman88 Spare some change, sir?

    I quess I'm way ahead of everyone!
     
  20. Cloudsweeper99

    Cloudsweeper99 Treasure Hunter

    There are so many errors and "stuff" going on with these coins that it makes you wonder if they'll be worth much in the future when the marketing frenzy dies down. Personally, I'm glad I don't collect error coins.
     
  21. Twiggs

    Twiggs Coin Collector

    I still say the U.S mint does it on purpose. How can they be that sloppy..lol
     
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