Hadrian Fourée 117 AD Concordia standing

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  1. Okidoki

    Okidoki Well-Known Member

    Obv. IMP CAESAR TRAIAN HADRIANVS AVG
    Laureate head right, draped on left shoulder.

    Rev. DAC PARTHICO PM TR P COS PP S C (looks like there is even S C ending)
    Concordia standing left, holding patera and cornucopia

    the reverse legend is only on this dupondius seen below
    http://www.forumancientcoins.com/gallery/displayimage.php?pos=-134130

    2.65 gr
    19 mm

    Hadrian Denarii do not have standing Concordia.
    785 Hadrian Unpub Foure.jpg
    How would you categorize this coin?
     
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  3. Andres2

    Andres2 Well-Known Member

    Congrats Eric, never seen a fouree of Hadrian before, do you own more ?
    Must be rare , I'll guess ? and first year of his reign as emperor , people had probably no idear how the new denarii looked like of their new emperor.
     
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  4. Okidoki

    Okidoki Well-Known Member

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  5. Mat

    Mat Ancient Coincoholic

    Nice addition to your collection, Eric.

    As for the reverse. Many fourees have reverses that never appears on "official" coinage.
     
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  6. Mikey Zee

    Mikey Zee Delenda Est Carthago

    I can't offer any clarification....but....

    I love cool, unusual and interesting coins!!! At the right price, of course;)
     
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  7. stevex6

    stevex6 Random Mayhem

    I'd probably use this coin description:

    Fourree Hadrian Denarius, standing Concordia
    (super cool)
     
  8. David Atherton

    David Atherton Flavian Fanatic

    Nice fourrée. Perhaps an opportunity to create your own cataloguing system for them?
     
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  9. dougsmit

    dougsmit Member

    I do not believe that coin is fourree but you would have to cut it in half to convince me so let it drop.

    You can't say Hadrian and fourree without having to look at mine. The second is just a core not made as a fourree should have been in that day but more like the Limes coins of the next century. The first is a fourree brockage. Got one?
    re1980b00211alg.JPG re1990bb0397.jpg
     
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  10. Roman Collector

    Roman Collector Well-Known Member

    This is really interesting. My first thought was that this had to be mule, with an obverse of Hadrian and a reverse of Trajan, Aelius, or Antoninus Pius. But there are no aurei or denarii from Vespasian to Commodus with a reverse inscription matching "DAC ... PCOS ..." when I look through the inscription indices in RIC vols. 2 and 3; only bronzes, as you've noticed. So it can't be a mule.

    I am not convinced it's fouree, either, but might be very debased silver.

    The overall style, especially the fact that the inscriptions seem to have the proper titulature and everything, points away from a "barbarous imitation."

    Very strange.

    Write to Curtis Clay at Harlan J. Berk and see what Curtis thinks it is.
     
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  11. Okidoki

    Okidoki Well-Known Member

    View attachment 583033 View attachment 583034 [/QUOTE]
    Thank you Doug,
    the reverse made me think its an fourree the green is the core?
    soon this coin will be here and i can tell more.

    785 Hadrian Unpub Fourre.jpg
    here are my
    Fourée/Limes/Imitations ect
    http://www.forumancientcoins.com/gallery/thumbnails.php?album=5729
    i do not have a brockage or a fourree brockage
     
  12. Okidoki

    Okidoki Well-Known Member

    Thank you RC,
    i also have a topic about this coin on FORVM, were Curtis also replies on topics.
    http://www.forumancientcoins.com/board/index.php?topic=110030.msg671527#new
    no reply so far.
    i agree on your comments and thoughts, its very Roman mint like in style and legend lettering
     
  13. Ajax

    Ajax Well-Known Member

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  14. Okidoki

    Okidoki Well-Known Member

    coin in hand core seems copper, all green.
    i think the upper legend is correct, although it also could be P P AVG
    i don't want to clean it silver chips of already
     
  15. Andres2

    Andres2 Well-Known Member

    I would dip it in petroleum for a couple of hours, to me it still looks like a fouree,
    great coin.
    and would like to see pics made by yourself.
     
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  16. Okidoki

    Okidoki Well-Known Member

    i will update with pictures, will take some time.
    very busy with work at the moment :D
     
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