Ebay...Still a Cherrypickers Paradise 2017'

You must have an entire hard drive full... My personal favorite was Braddick's AT Silver Eagle that even PCI called artificially toned. I think PCGS originally called it MS69 and then it ended up in a proof details holder if I recall correctly.

 

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No kidding. 35 million coins graded and they can't get them all right the first time. Shameful.
Lance.

 

...10-15 million of those are Morgans and modern bullion. You'd think they'd at least get the ones that MATTER right...you know, the ones where the value difference is a thousand-fold or so?

PCGS has been getting a lot of egg on their face lately. And, no I'm not anti-PCGS -- I own hundreds of PCGS graded coins. When a company makes it their slogan "the best coins always end up in PCGS holders" then they better back that up with accuracy, and down-right perfectionism. Period. Instead, I've seen lax/generous grading, mis-attributions of even the simplest of things (proof vs. business strike), and clear and noticeable upward "rewards" to assigned numerical grades based on toning.

NGC makes mistakes too, I'm not delusional. However, in my couple decades experience collecting both brands, NGC wins for consistency -- PCGS wins for marketing.

 

I hate to say, "I told you so." Eh, no, I don't.

 

Hard to feel bad for someone who says they're going to charge people to look at an online picture

 

Eh, they'll probably throw him a bone on the condition that he sign a nondisclosure. I'm sure they don't want bad publicity. You can put anything you want in a contract, the legality of it can always be disputed by contract attorneys. (For example, most valets and many paid parking lots have a statement "we are not responsible for your vehicle while in our care". This is 100% not true. Once you give the company money to watch your car it is their responsibility. If your car is stolen or damaged while in their care, they are financially liable. This clause is merely added to deter people from seeking recompense and would not hold up in court)

At the very least, he can probably make a few bucks giving an interview to coinweek or something.

 

I'm a bit mixed on this one. I didn't bother to check the diagnostics when I first posted. But I did go and check very soon after, and I came to the same conclusion most others did here as well as over at the PCGS forums. I can only imagine what it would feel like to have something like this land in my lap and then get taken away. It would be enough to make my stomach turn for weeks.

On the other hand, had I been the one who won the coin from GSC on eBay, the first thing I would have done was to check the coin for the diagnostics before sending it to PCGS. As a variety hunter, that's the first thing I do for any coin I buy and I will double check before sending in for grading. I would have caught the fact that it was not a MPL before it ever left my hands. Those diagnostics have been burned in my brain for well over a year now. As a result, I would not have experienced this guy's swing of emotions.

Now, does PCGS owe him anything? The simple answer is no, with the exception of paying for return shipping, properly grading it and the shipping back to the submitter. Should they give him anything above and beyond that? That is their call. But I get the feeling that the OP doesn't know much about MPL Lincoln's and took PCGS's word for it on the certification as I did originally. That gave him an incredible sense of false hope and blessings. They my end up feeling bad about giving him such a rough ride, that they may throw him a bone. We may never know.

 

I think the PCGS submission says it all...

-LanceNewmanOCC ; https://forums.collectors.com/discussion/975964/and-people-say-you-shouldnt-buy-from-great-southern

(this is why you hear people constantly telling less experienced collectors to avoid GSC)

 

I agree, reminds me of the Mark Twain quote that the hillbillies 'round here simplified.
Its better to keep your mouth shut and let people think your stupid, than to open it up and prove it! The whole community would have felt sorry 4 the guy, had he been a bit more courteous and humble. Instead, he started insulting people and resorted to name calling. Which, in hind-sight is probably one of the reasons why the CU dude dropped a dime on him, & throw'd eem under the bus.

 

Well when you think you hit the Lottery and find on the your ticket was a misprint..Talk About A Kick In The Nutzzzzo..!!!!!

 

Well atlease I had fun with my coin and cought the attention of the World of Numismatic... I'm new to coin grading so I guess this is as close as it gets to being initiated into the coin grading world... Can someone please fix me a new Avatar "Suckers of the year award"

 

P.S.
Atlease I got a chance to see Blue Ridge Silver Hounds Video of it before all hell broke loss..Thanks BlueRidge

 

Also, To my whistle blower...Your next got my good eye on you Buddy...!!!!!!!

 

I get that. Understandable, but I think some people got offended when you said you were going to sell it despite the evidence. Then again, there were a number of guys on the CU Forum that openly bragged that they would be trying to sell it as fast as possible and didn't mind screwing the buyer over at all.

 

It's all good...I hope you get free submissions for life behind it...Well back to Hunting BU rolls...And I will be back with a Great find so don't think for one sec. it's over for Larry Pelf...! $! $! $! $!

 

Meh, confusion over valuable rare items happens on a daily basis with collectibles. Just be thankful it got sorted out before any financial transaction occurred.

 

Didn't see where you said I was going to sell it...No wasn't forsale and still not...Just was something for the Great Grand Kids to enjoy...YIS..LP

 

Maybe it was when you said you had shown it to two dealers already and they were trying to put together offers on it.

 

He could talk at a lawyer that would work on a contingency basis. He may be able to demand disclosure of internal records from PCGS. If you don't play hardball with the big boys, you don't get anywhere.

 

Almost spit my Coffee, LOL