Late roman bronze coin

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  1. Makanudo

    Makanudo Well-Known Member

    I tried identifying this coin using types of reverses and inscriptions site, but it doesnt matches.
    I couldnt match reparatio inscription to the reverse type and I do not reckognise the emperor.

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  3. Victor_Clark

    Victor_Clark all my best friends are dead Romans Dealer

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  4. Makanudo

    Makanudo Well-Known Member

    Thanks Victor Clark!
    I now have to cross match to pin point it.
    It is bear headed.
    What does "hair straight up mean?
     
  5. Victor_Clark

    Victor_Clark all my best friends are dead Romans Dealer

    "hair straight up" is talking about the fallen horseman- the guy on the ground getting speared. More important for your ID is what is in the left field of the reverse, which looks like II and of course the mintmark, which I can't make out from the picture, but is probably Aquileia
     
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  6. Kentucky

    Kentucky Supporter! Supporter

    I actually looked again at the coin to see if someone had the head of a bear...after all, we have bull-headed men. I think you mean bare headed.
     
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  8. Makanudo

    Makanudo Well-Known Member

    :)
    Sorry for the mistake...
    In my case it still means bear head
    :bear:
     
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  9. Kentucky

    Kentucky Supporter! Supporter

    Everyone knows what you mean and it is good you can take a joke. There has been some ongoing posting of "Fallen Horseman" coins and perhaps the leading proponent can tell you if you are wrong or right
     
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  10. dougsmit

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    In this case you had all the legend needed to ID the coin. A bare head portrait on a falling horseman coin means the coin is either Constantius Gallus or Julian II. You have the letters IVN before NOB C on the obverse right which means it has to be the junior Constantius who we call Gallus.

    Below is a different Gallus coin (no II in reverse field) from Nicomedia mint (SMNA) with a good example of a horseman being stabbed on a 'bad hair day'. There are people very interested in barbarian clothing and hair on these coins. It appears that the tribes can be IDed based on these details. I am not up on the fine points of this ongoing study but a lot has come out since RIC mentioned a few of the details.

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  11. randygeki

    randygeki Coin Collector

    Yeah, Aquileia
     
  12. Makanudo

    Makanudo Well-Known Member

    Thanks Doug,

    It seems that there is no mint mark on my coin.
    The details of the fallen horseman are all the way down to the coins lower edge.
     
  13. Kentucky

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    I truly stand in amazement.
     
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  14. dougsmit

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    BTW, you may all choose to use the term 'Fallen Horseman' but I will continue to say 'Falling Horseman'. LRBC, RIC and Failmezger all used 'Falling'. The English translation of Bruck used 'Fallen' but the original was in German so you can't say that Bruck himself believed that. I do not propose you make a difference between the variations where the horseman is off the horse but alive on the ground and the (much more common) ones where he is still on the horse. 'Fallen' sounds like what he will be a minute later but the split second when the 'coinograph' was made shows him in the process of falling.
     
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  15. Alegandron

    Alegandron "ΤΩΙ ΚΡΑΤΙΣΤΩΙ..." ΜΕΓΑΣ ΑΛΕΞΑΝΔΡΟΣ, June 323 BCE

  16. Makanudo

    Makanudo Well-Known Member

    These guys cleaned me up in poker tonight :)

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  17. gsimonel

    gsimonel Well-Known Member

    Are you certain about this? It looks like there might be a mint mark on your coin that is obscured but the shadow from your thumb in the photo. There appears to be a line under the image of the (oh my God, now I have to take a political stance: do I say "fallen" or "falling") . . . umm . . .horseman. The space under this line is called the "exergue." Do you see any letters or fragments of letters under this line?
     
  18. Makanudo

    Makanudo Well-Known Member

    @gsimonel, I looked but I still cannot see the exergue. Maybe because the lower edge is somewhat damaged. I located two symbols and marked them. I dont know if those symbols are part of a figure of warrior in defense or possibly mint marks:
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  19. Makanudo

    Makanudo Well-Known Member

    In contrast to that coin, heres another FH reverse where the mint mark is clearly visible(different emperor though):
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  20. Victor_Clark

    Victor_Clark all my best friends are dead Romans Dealer

    it looks like a Q in the exergue; however, ignoring what may be in the mintmark, if you use the excel sheet and filter, you will see that you only have a few possibilities.

    I use the term "fallen" The word fallen does not have to indicate the finished act of falling but can also mean deceased- like a fallen soldier--since the horseman has been speared he probably will not be spared. Plus fallen horseman "falls" off the tongue.
     
  21. Black Friar

    Black Friar Well-Known Member

    A great book you should have is by Guido Bruck translated by Alisdair Menzies: Late Roman Bronze Coinage An attribution guide for poorly preserved coins. I purchase mine from Amazon. Paperback at $24 or so and hard at around $46. I'm a prime member so there is postage savings as well. I look at a lot of very circulated late Roman bronzes, the books help save time till one gets good at identifying on a regular basis. Have fun.
     
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