Another tiny counterfeit

Discussion in 'US Coins Forum' started by No_Ragrets, Oct 11, 2025 at 7:02 PM.

  1. No_Ragrets

    No_Ragrets Self-proclaimed Semi-Amateur Numismatist Supporter

    Added to the stack! My dealer assured me it's a 90% gold coin, but that it was a fake. So I got it at melt, which still kind of hurt the wallet a little, but at least now I'm one step closer to being able to fill that gold page for the 7070, if I ever get it. If it even fits into the slot lol!

    But hey, counterfeit gold coins that are gold is still gold in the stack, right?

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  3. Neal

    Neal Well-Known Member

    If he knows it is counterfeit, how does he know it is .900 gold? The weight can be faked with tungsten. Not saying it isn't gold, because it may well be, but I'd want to know how he is sure.
     
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  4. -jeffB

    -jeffB Greshams LEO Supporter

    I'm guessing that gold dollars would be about the last target for tungsten-core fakes. There's just not that much room inside them to displace gold with tungsten. You'd probably still end up with a coin that's more than 50% gold, as opposed to the larger denominations where a tungsten core can replace 75% or more of the gold, if I'm remembering correctly (I seem to remember fake AGEs still having something like a quarter ounce of actual gold).
     
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  5. No_Ragrets

    No_Ragrets Self-proclaimed Semi-Amateur Numismatist Supporter

    He has a sigma, so I trust that he read it with that prior to putting it out for the common folk to look at and declare it 90%. He's a very easy-going type of guy, so I'll bring the coin back just to have him scan it in front of me to be 100% sure and he won't bat an eye. And he'd offer a refund immediately if something was off, or probably even if I changed my mind on it.
     
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  6. coinspy

    coinspy New Member

    you will not know until it is under a XRF machine....it will tell the truth
     
  7. Michael K

    Michael K Well-Known Member

    Not my area. But compared to this photo. Your LIBERTY seems mushy. Yes it's a diff date, but I think it is the same design. Odd that the weight and gold content match correctly.
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  8. -jeffB

    -jeffB Greshams LEO Supporter

    No, it won't, in this context. Gold blocks X-rays too effectively. An XRF gun can only give a reading on the 10-15 microns of a high-gold alloy. It'll pick up if the piece is just gold-washed or very thinly plated, but not if it's a tungsten core wrapped in a substantial fraction of a millimeter of gold.

    (As I understand it, tungsten-core fakes wrap the tungsten with enough gold to accept the struck design, because tungsten is too hard and brittle to strike itself.)
     
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