A coin that I found on ebay.

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  1. brandon spiegel

    brandon spiegel Brandon Spiegel

    Hello, I found this coin on ebay and I am wondering if it is authentic or not. Thank you.


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  3. Oldhoopster

    Oldhoopster Member of the ANA since 1982

  4. Kentucky

    Kentucky Supporter! Supporter

    I can't tell, but wait for a few members to chime in.
     
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  5. brandon spiegel

    brandon spiegel Brandon Spiegel

    thank you! =)
     
  6. hotwheelsearl

    hotwheelsearl Well-Known Member

    Nothing about it looks right.
    But then again, who would fake a coin with this much damage?
     
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  7. Oldrdawg

    Oldrdawg Active Member

    I'm afraid I don't care for it.
     
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  8. brandon spiegel

    brandon spiegel Brandon Spiegel

    Thank you for all of your advice, defintally helped me steer clear of a bad coin!
     
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  9. SchwaVB57

    SchwaVB57 Well-Known Member

    I can not tell from the pictures if it is real or fake, but the coin is not very attractive.
     
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  10. doug444

    doug444 STAMPS and POSTCARDS too!

    Odd color, unless that's an artifact of the imaging; doesn't even look like silver. You can do better.
     
  11. SuperDave

    SuperDave Free the Cartwheels!

    They damage it deliberately to draw attention away from the diagnostics, or to cover them. Don't forget, this isn't about scoring big from one buyer; it's about rooking a hundred or more of them at lower prices. Bigger money usually has a more discerning eye.
     
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  12. Paddy54

    Paddy54 Well-Known Member

    I agree that nothing looks right,and SuperDave point of the dings being a distraction from what is to my eye a fake . I wouldn't want it .
     
  13. C-B-D

    C-B-D Well-Known Member

    I totally believe this is a genuine coin. Real deal, but chewed up and damaged. I don't have the Dick Graham book, but the wear pattern on both sides is 100% correct. Everything looks right about it to me. It's scanned, so you cannot rely on color as a diagnosis point.
     
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  14. Oldhoopster

    Oldhoopster Member of the ANA since 1982

    This type of porosity makes it look cast. Weak denticles on the rim are another sign of possible casting. Weak and mushy devices like the stars and reverse letters also suggest casting. I would not condemn it on the weak devices alone but with the other deficiencies, I believe it's fake. I bet the rim shows signs of a seam.
     
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  15. gregarious

    gregarious E Pluribus Unum

    to me, it looks like it's been unzipped @ the edge that's visible in the pic
     
  16. doug444

    doug444 STAMPS and POSTCARDS too!

    Considering these have a reeded edge, I wonder how fakers ever line them up across a seam.
     
  17. bdunnse

    bdunnse Who dat?

    It's unanimous...no one has a clue.
     
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  18. SuperDave

    SuperDave Free the Cartwheels!

    It's entirely possible; the images here were too small to be sure either way. Here are the full-size images from the (ended) Ebay auction:

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    1838Rev.jpg
     
  19. green18

    green18 Unknown member Sweet on Commemorative Coins

    Calling Tom B..............
     
  20. doug444

    doug444 STAMPS and POSTCARDS too!

    I looked at that coin (and others) and noticed one odd marker. In LIBERTY, the left-hand serifs on the T are diagonal. Images in other US catalogs show the side of the serif straight up and down, without exception. But that is minor enough to merely be a Breen variety (I don't have his book).
     
  21. SuperDave

    SuperDave Free the Cartwheels!

    I *think* that's damage.

    Heritage has 63 of these attributed; I just looked at all of them to try to match up the die cracks on the obverse of the coin here. Their existence is encouraging; they should at least eliminate a transfer die as I doubt one could copy the delicate cracks so accurately.

    I found nothing similar at Heritage, which is no guarantee, of course. GR-6 has a similar crack under the bust, but this coin has one between the first two right stars which doesn't exist on GR-6 and if this is a later state than I saw illustrated, then there should be a more prominent crack left of the bust tip.
     
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