1984 P Jefferson Nickel - No Throat Collar

Discussion in 'Error Coins' started by SF11Dude, Jan 30, 2017.

  1. SF11Dude

    SF11Dude Active Member

    I thought something JDLR about this Nickel and after staring at it I noticed there is no throat collar, neck impression at all. Thoughts?
     

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  3. 180IQ

    180IQ Active Member

    It's there. Look closer. Weak strike?
     
  4. 180IQ

    180IQ Active Member

    Use a dremmel and you can remove the rest of that. Just kidding don't ever use a tool on a coin.
     
  5. SF11Dude

    SF11Dude Active Member

    Honestly, I have looked at it under 800X microscope and even in the pictures I see no trace of the "<" normally showing where the collar is. I compared it to two other samples with a year of this coin and they are not even close.
     
  6. 180IQ

    180IQ Active Member

    I apologize. Now I see. He forgot to put his under shirt on that day. You can see his throat since the shirt is missing! See the line of his neck?
     
  7. 180IQ

    180IQ Active Member

    It's a VERY beat up coin, someone could have used a tool to remove the collar, and then placed it back into circ. If it's a die that produced it, you should see many of them pop up. I say hold on to it. Hold the edges not the obverse and reverse.
     
  8. SF11Dude

    SF11Dude Active Member

    :) first post..second post - will do. Thanks
     
  9. Collecting Nut

    Collecting Nut Borderline Hoarder

    If a 10x doesn't show it, then it's not an error. 800x? Really?
     
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  10. alurid

    alurid Well-Known Member

    Could be struck through grease, which will hide details on a coin.
     
  11. tommyc03

    tommyc03 Senior Member

    As aluid said or possibly an over polished die where a technician tried to fix a problem in this area of the die and over did it some.
     
  12. Insider

    Insider Talent on loan from...

    Actually, that's not totally correct. Sorry to split hairs - NOT! :hilarious::hilarious:

    I prefer to think: if you cannot see it at 10X, it may not be considered an error by most. "Flyspeck" numismatics is alive and well, trust me.
     
  13. SF11Dude

    SF11Dude Active Member

    So I have been coin collecting for years but until last year never really got into error coins or varieties so this is a learning experience. I joined the forums to learn from others in the "community".

    I use a 10X to sort the coins (it is a 10x-150x), for detail shots I use a 20X-800X which has better software and filters so others can see details better.

    I don't use 800X and I am not sure how far I zoom in when I am looking for tool marks or other "alterations" so I don't post something and waste everyone's time.

    Maybe it is my age or eyesight but while 10X can show me doubling, when I zoom in I can see the true extent of what's going on. I am curious about the details and like to photograph them.

    I'm looking for those who know to give me the benefit of their wisdom.
     
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  14. Conder101

    Conder101 Numismatist

    Removed through excessive die polishing. Not worth a premium and definitely not when the coin itself is beat up.
     
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  15. 180IQ

    180IQ Active Member

    Forgive me if I'm wrong, but if it was removed by die polishing wouldn't it show up as a raised area on the coin?
     
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  16. Conder101

    Conder101 Numismatist

    On the die the highest part is what created the field on the coin, That little "v" at the neck is very shallow in the die. When you polish the die you grind down the WHOLE field not just a small part of it. As the field is ground down the shallow or low relief areas are the first ones lost
     
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  17. coinsareus10

    coinsareus10 Well-Known Member

    What Condor101 said.
     
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