Ragin' Indian $2.50 variety

Both are considered varieties.

 

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1 2 3 4, I declare a flame war! Good luck getting money for my VAM not quite 6 1899 micro o in MS 64 as well right? Cause it's not a variety?

 

You ARE a genius! As you wrote, supply and demand make the coin market. Allow me to offer some friendly advice. If I were you, I would not pay any extra money over the going rate for those particular Indian "varieties." Find them already graded and get a complete date set as some may be less common that others. Then, wait a few decades and hope they catch on. At the moment, those clashes look horrible to me and "destroy" the design of a beautiful coin. You see, if the artist and the engravers thought those coins were attractive like that, they would have all had a disfigured neck.

Yep, supply and demand. For most dates, those coins are common as dirt. Take the number that exist and add the possibly 3-4 collectors searching for them and the demand part of the equation does not exist. Hopefully, if you continue to collect only MS slabbed examples you'll get more than "gold melt" when they are sold.

 

I didn't buy any with a disfigured neck, I bought ones with only one absolutely real looking jugular vein. The coin looks anatomically correct for an angry person. Yes there are varieties with awful looking lines going everywhere. And the bugs bunny franklin half commands 50% over the other coins of that year, and just looks dumb, and ugly. look more like vampire teeth to me.

 

Die cracks all over the place don't look good either, but a lot of morgan collectors clamor for them. Just sayin'.

 

To me this thread illustrates the idiocy of celebrating lack of quality control/assurance at the mint that is the variety/error collectors.

 

I pride myself on American craftsmanship!

 

Morgan and Peace Dollar die states are identified by clashing. When a variety - and don't forget, this has been a continuous process happening for over half a century now - identified solely by clashing is proven to be another known die pair, it's eliminated and rolled in as a die state.

 

Okay. I will accept that as I am not a Morgan guy. But they do say every coin is a variety. What do you have to say about the bugs bunny, and speared buffalo varieties?

 

"There's no accounting for what some people will assign value to." That's what I have to say for that.

But that's only opinion, and therefore doesn't govern. The pattern you need to be seeing in those examples is that there are sometimes coins which gain assigned value due to whatever reason - publicity, tapping the collective zeitgeist, whatever. It is not an indication of some generalization that "all clashes/die scratches are worth extra money," because such a generalization is far from the truth. In fact, more than a few collectors consider such features disqualifying, and will not purchase a coin showing them.

Clashing is fun, and interesting, and if you poll CoinTalk members you'll find that the overwhelming majority (that number will rise in conjunction with experience level) won't pay extra money for it.

 

Thank you for the input. Hopefully I can get a magazine to publish it, or the local news. Hype it up and cash in. Otherwise it looks like skid row for me . I'll catch on eventually. It does look ugly to me as well, I'm not very surprised by the results of this thread.

 

Please take this in a good way as it is intended. Over the years, I have been published a time or two and have discovered a thing or two. The coins you have posted are not worth a drop of ink or one page inch! WACK, ouch...That is the stick.

Now, the carrot or sugar cube if you prefer. If you wish to help others, perhaps even raise the desirability and value of your "Raging Indians"; find a better example and write an article showing the throat clash in several stages from strong to weak. Three images will do. You can use the same dates (best) or different dates. I'll guarantee it will get published. Good Luck, I'm outa this thread.

 

Thank you for the nugget of wisdom. I was thinking about the progression thing, but not in a literary sense.

 

so you want recognition for a discovery that more than likely someone else discovered? if you found it on several examples, you think no one else has? they were shot down WAY before you found your first one. if anyone should get credit...it should be the person that first reported. I sell to people like you on ebay all the time. I find the coins...list them on ebay....then the customer sends it in to its appropriate site and gets credit for it.

 

isn't this a dangerous road to travel? if we start getting into specifics like that we will have to re-write the history books as to who REALLY discovered America.

 

Christopher Columbus got credit for discovering something that definitely was discovered waaay before him. It was worth a try.

 

Also there is a first person to recognize every variety, why NOT me?

 

I'll answer your question. There is always a first person to "discover" something. If that person keeps the discovery to themselves and someone else let's others know about it , that person (depending on where and how wide spread his information goes) usually will get credit for the discovery.

However, there is a huge difference between "discovering" something and "recognizing" it. Do you understand the difference? You, me, or others posting here do not have any "standing" or "credentials" to recognize anything! No one cares what we recognize.

The only way you can receive credit for the "Raging Indian" variety is to publicize it and hope it catches on. IMO, it will not.

 

Because yesterday you couldn't tell the difference between Eagles and half Eagles.



...and just a day later you discover a new variety...? No.

 

@Insider , Do you know what would make the top of the 9 in the 1908 date look like that on the coin I posted on the first page? I have a few like this. Cud?