Ragin' Indian $2.50 variety

You will not get credit for any discovery. Almost all dates have had these. And how could you possibly know how many were minted that way, or how many are left?

 

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You can make an educated estimate. That's what a survival estimate is. You look at 1000 examples of a coin, use the survival estimates that exist to get a good Idea of how many are left. How do the top companies know how many were minted, and how many are left? Only so many coins can be hammered from a single die face, I would venture no more than 60,000 coins came from each pair of dies considering you have weak d variety of the 1911-d. I would say the 1913 on the bottom is similar to my variety, almost exactly the same. The 1912 is ugly and spider webbed, doesn't look like my variety. Maybe one of them could be a die state earlier or later than my variety? Also die states could make my variety much more rare as possibly only 1000 or 10,000 were minted before the die broke worse, or was polished. Out of 1000 examples, I have found 25 that look quite like the 1913 in the same year as my coin. I have only seen one example of the 1913 you show, and it was for sale on flee bay, but recently sold. I wish I had the money to get it. Only $500 ish. I have seen very many from several different years in the same state as the 1912 you have shown.

 

How many 1911 with clashes have you seen?

 

1911 proper, or 1911-d

 

None, in either 1911 or 1911-d. Mostly I just looked at 1000 examples of the year my coin came from. Okay now everyone who can add 2+2 knows it isn't a 1911, 1911-D, or 1913, so I'm going to not answer any more questions of that nature out of self preservation.

 

I own several examples, some in mint condition, and plan to keep hoarding them until it's a recognized variety, or I find a buyer who will pay what I want for one or more of them. Understand I'm not on here to sell coins, just conversing. I figured a coin dealer will at least buy one from me at high price to find out what date it is, then they can collect them as well, and charge a premium. I will probably never have the money to collect 400 coins, at $400 a pop. That's $160,000.

 

So you're "a kinder and more considerate person in the way [you] treat others" yet had absolutely no problem stating the OP should have a minus IQ simply because you didn't like a certain word/term he used, only withdrawing it once he explained in a manner you personally found sufficient, yet you take issue with my "PC/BS" question/comment? Thanks for setting a perfect example of how and why the entire concept of political correctness is nothing more than BS nonsense promoted by individuals who just think themselves morally superior when they are nothing but hypocrites.

 

I revoke my statement about early and late die states regarding the 1912 and 1913 coins. My variety has a different origination point at the Early American Settler's tassle, not the collar as in those two varieties. Those are completely different varieties, and rare in their own right.

 

I at one time had a 180 IQ. I was as smart as a 17 year old when I was 9 as indicated by testing administered to all students when I was in grade school. Now my IQ is probably lower, as the world is getting stupider every second.

 

I have paid a SMALL premium for the 1911 I have with clash, as I have not seen many in that date. 1908 is pretty common, the other dates are rarer. I would not be paying a large premium though, and I don't think anyone will recognize this as a variety, other than ANACS if you grade with them.

 

I paid maybe 5% to 10% more per coin for mine, so if worse comes to worse in 20 years I'll be able to sell them at small profit. Or if StuffHTF I'll be able to trade the set for a new wife. I don't have a wife, so maybe not a NEW wife. But def not a used one for a full $2.50 set.

 

I certainly respect your feeling on the matter and much appreciate the response. However, and just as an example, the tribe closest to where I grew up still refer to themselves as "Nation of Indians", so are they "blatantly racist" as well? Of course not, and am I'm sure the other so-offended gentleman would agree.

With all due respect, you're taking this a little too far, sir. Thus far you've presented only what is already fairly well known, and if a return on your investment is what you seek, would likely be better off fluffing up eBay listings hoping to snag a sucker than hoping to be recognized for the unrecognizable.

Oy.... I'm sorry, but any dealer who will "pay a high price" for a coin just to learn the date isn't likely to be a dealer very long.

Now that's looking on the bright side...

 

So true. The Sauds have some of the best examples of the most valuable U.S. coins and probably rivals the Smithsonian collection.

 

I will say confession at my bedside tonight for being such a horrible and despicable person. I will ask for forgiveness for being a hypocrite and making mistakes. I will beg for help to be a better person in all things I do. I will also ask for the knowledge that I do not have to make me not offend anyone again here on Coin Talk. This I promise to do. And if my Dad were still alive, I'd ask him to take me to the whipping shed. I deserve no less.

 

It's clashing. It's not a "variety." Good luck finding someone willing to pay you extra money for clashing.

 

Morgan and peace VAMs are often caused by clashing and die breaks. They are known as varieties. When more than one of the same different coin are discovered it's a variety.

 

Actually Vam says every coin is a variety. lol

 

sorry.

 

The bugs bunny franklin half, and the speared buffalo Jefferson nickel were created by clashes, and command high prices.