Ragin' Indian $2.50 variety

I have a few $2.50 from the same year all with the same error. This qualifies as a variety. When I try to talk to magazines about it they shoot me down saying it isn't collectible when in fact anything is collectible. What makes a bugs bunny half dollar, or a speared buffalo more valuable than this? I think no one here has ever seen a live speared buffalo, most likely no one has seen a live 3 legged buffalo, no one has seen Benjamin franklin in real life, but most likely someone has seen a raging indian sometime in their life. I have one that lives upstairs! Here are pics of two graded examples, I realize die breaks in the throat area are somewhat common, but I estimate an original mintage of 20,000 maximum for this variety, with many less surviving to today. The bulging jugular vein is round, smooth, and is one vein, not many varicose veins as in other die cracks of this era. You'll have to zoom in real close, as it is a small coin. What are everyone's thoughts?

 

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If it gets recognized I might ask danny trejo if I can call it the machete kills

 

Guess you hid the date of the coin so members cannot find any of these "treasures" you have collected. Need a close-up image of the neck to help you.

For your information, die breaks on the throat of these coins are virtually non-existent. BTW, I don't recall ever seeing one. However, clash marks in this area are common on some dates more than others. I suspect that is what you have here. That's because they have the smooth round characteristic you described. Die breaks are thin, squiggly lines. If I had my notes here I cold probably tell you the date and mint of the coin you have tried to conceal.

Anyway, please post an image of just the neck and we'll see if you actually have something besides a clash mark.

 

I can't honestly say I have any clue what you're talking about here.

 

I'm sorry but this photo is not going to help anyone here to help you. Your remarks about our Indigenous Americans are also inappropriate, ie., "Ragin Indian" and what does Danny Trejo's heritage have to do with coins? For someone who uses a screen name of 180IQ you might want to put a - in front of it.

 

Perhaps, but if he'd said "Ragin Redneck" would you feel the same? Perhaps you would, and if so a heartfelt kudos for it, but unfortunately many wouldn't and is another fine example of why PC BS is just that - BS.

 

Too bad you have me on "IGNORE" so you cannot read my post to see exactly where to look for the obvious mark on the throat! Perhaps a member will PM you to read the OP again.

IMO, Ragin Indian is a great name for this characteristic. The blood vessels in his neck are swollen in anger. I had a boss like that. Whenever I called him out for an authenticity error, he would get so mad his neck would bulge but he kept it bottled up because he knew I was correct.

 

Wear it as a badge of honor. Plus, it's a blessing in disguise - trust me on this one.

 

He is talking about the die clash that makes the indians look like they have a huge jugular vein ready to pop. Most commonly seen on 1908's. It is found on a few other date's as well, but not as common. I DO wish ngc and pcgs would list it, as ANCS will do. I have had anacs grade many of them as "die clash", which usually helps them sell for a bit more. After looking at the OP coin, I would guess not a 1908, and BARELY a clash at all. Here is a more dramatic one, which is what is seen on a lot of 1908's.

 

I covered the dates so I could show the coin to magazines, and still get credit for the variety. People suck, and always want to steal your thunder. I just want recognition for it, and hopefully a premium on my investments. I can't get everyone to sign a non disclosure agreement here, so I left the covers on. I said 20,000 minted not survival estimate. Survival estimate in all grades would be 200-400 coins, with 100-300 in MS 60 or better. Here are a couple somewhat better pics.

 

In my opinion both of you are correct. I have always felt the $2.50 Indian is blatantly racist. It should be called the $2.50 Native American with head dress. I just try to go with the flow. Also more because of the fact that I feel danny trejo is more receptive than other people to doing advertisement than because of heritage. If I asked one of the Standing rock Sioux to endorse, then you'd see a real ragin' native American!

 

I understand there is a bigger customer base, but Morgan collectors are almost insane about varieties and to collect a set of morgans you have to be a millionaire. How many millionaires collect coins? The Morgan varieties are still valuable even though they carry a high premium over silver people pay. I'm trying to understand here. the number of people buying the low ticket coins of a series drives up the high ticket coins price?

 

I know this is going down the political route, but why don't we call them "America's first settlers" since they didn't originate from America but instead came over from Asia. According to the best knowledge of science today, there is no such thing as a "native" American.

 

It should be supply and demand. The less of a coin exist, the more it's worth. That's why a 1913 liberty nickel is so expensive. There are only 5 of them. So by that rationale If I have an MS 63 ragin' Native American, and there are only 2 of them, with no examples known in better condition, shouldn't it be worth about 40k? It's way more rare than the 1911-d and that seems to sell for 10k in MS 63 easily.

 

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I have "Native American" heritage, and a rose by any other name would smell as sweet. We call Pink people White and Brown people Black. It's a confused mess.

 

Thank you for the considerate reply instead of the PC/BS statement. And in return I take back my -IQ statement. While I have never been know to be a solid PC person, I do think, in my old age, I have become a kinder and more considerate person in the way I treat others. My own heritage of both Eastern & Western European has seen it's share of abuse in my lifetime, therefore my jumping on this.

 

Idk why the coin grading sites call them that. Maybe the Pratt quarter eagle and Pratt Half eagle would be better. Saves on ink.