Why is PCGS priceguide so high on this 1822 large cent?

Discussion in 'US Coins Forum' started by lordmarcovan, Aug 16, 2025 at 10:19 AM.

  1. lordmarcovan

    lordmarcovan Collecting for 49 years Moderator

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    It's a nice coin. I paid $935 for it. But I just noticed PCGS has it at $1,700 in AU58.

    Why so much? Condition rarity? I know PCGS priceguide is often inflated on some stuff, but that's almost double what I paid. (Hey, I'm not complaining.)

    What's Greysheet on this one? Just curious.
     
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  3. ksparrow

    ksparrow Coin Hoarder Supporter

    No idea. Have you checked the APR's for the issue/grade?
     
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  4. johnmilton

    johnmilton Well-Known Member

    That is a nice looking AU-58.

    The Grey Sheet number is only $550, but I've found the Grey Sheet numbers to be on the low side. When I was a dealer, I could not buy large cents for the numbers they quoted unless it was a piece with problems.

    As for the "CoinFacts" numbers, they are usually what I would call high retail.

    Here's the piece which is in my "one cent a year" set. It's graded EF-45.

    1822 Large Cent All.jpg
     
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  5. lordmarcovan

    lordmarcovan Collecting for 49 years Moderator

    Wow, $550 Greysheet versus $1,700 PCGS priceguide. That’s quite a spread.
     
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  6. Collecting Nut

    Collecting Nut Borderline Hoarder

    Nice looking coin but I’m wondering if the PCGS price is high because they haven’t minted that coin 203 years. :smuggrin:
     
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  7. samclemens3991

    samclemens3991 Well-Known Member

    Probably a small data pool to get pricing from. Check out the pricing for most Seated Quarters. Then go try and buy a few. james
     
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  8. ToughCOINS

    ToughCOINS Dealer Member Moderator

    Grey Sheet seems as far out in left field as can be on some issues, particularly scarcer coins.

    I used to subscribe to it, and found that I was using it only for common stuff, where it seems to be accurate. It took me a while to figure out that my own pricing on both the buying side and selling side was more realistic for the coins I care to buy and sell.

    Since I avoid common coins to the best of my ability, I finally canceled my subscription last year, as its price has been rising unacceptably, and its value to me has been declining.

    If I need Grey Sheet pricing for common coins, it's almost invariably 3/4 of the price in the Greysheet CPG (Collector's Price Guide).
     
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  9. lordmarcovan

    lordmarcovan Collecting for 49 years Moderator

    Price always kept me away from being a subscriber.
     
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  10. Randy Abercrombie

    Randy Abercrombie Supporter! Supporter

    About a month back I was smitten standing in a dealers shop with this one. Feeling under duress I quickly checked the PCGS price guide at $2400.00 and the NGC price guide at $2700.00. I was able to get it closer to $2000.00 so I was happy……. But I am a bit miffed by the wild swing you see with that old large cent. I sometimes wonder if these people are constantly updating these pages or if they have some algorithm that does the job for them.

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  11. johnmilton

    johnmilton Well-Known Member

    My opinion of the Grey Sheet large cent prices is that they are a dealers’ dream list. You can’t buy the coins for those prices from knowledgeable sources.
     
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  12. johnmilton

    johnmilton Well-Known Member

    The Grey Sheet large cent numbers, especially for the early dates, have been wrong (too low) for many years. If the large cent specialty dealers have been paying Grey Sheet prices and selling at “CoinFacts” or EAC prices, they must be the richest dealers on the planet.
     
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  13. Michael K

    Michael K Well-Known Member

    It's a great looking AU 58 and a good price at $935.
    USA Coin Book has 1822 AU 50 listed at $919.
     
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  14. Collecting Nut

    Collecting Nut Borderline Hoarder

    They probably use AI. Lol
     
  15. johnmilton

    johnmilton Well-Known Member

    The 1821 and the 1823 are the two "key dates" among the Matron Head cents (1816 to 1839). I paid a fairly high price for this 1821. It is graded AU-58.

    1821 Cent All.jpg

    I didn't want to sink a fortune into the 1823 so I bought this one.

    1823 Large Cent All.jpg
     
  16. Barney McRae

    Barney McRae Well-Known Member

    You just made me ask you a question! Those camera apps that give you grade and coin value, are they anywhere in the ballpark? Closer than Pluto?:D (I don't have the app so it's a legitimate question).
     
  17. lordmarcovan

    lordmarcovan Collecting for 49 years Moderator

    From what I’ve seen, out past Planet Znutar and in a different galaxy entirely. They’ve got a long way to go.
     
  18. Collecting Nut

    Collecting Nut Borderline Hoarder

    Sorry but I don’t have a clue. They may be somewhere in this solar system but I just don’t know. I doubt it but you never know.
     
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  19. Randy Abercrombie

    Randy Abercrombie Supporter! Supporter

    We had someone post an electrical slug that AI told him was a rare and valuable coin if that tells you anything.
     
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  20. lordmarcovan

    lordmarcovan Collecting for 49 years Moderator

    Yep. I remember that hilarious post.
     
  21. Collecting Nut

    Collecting Nut Borderline Hoarder

    AI is just starting. It will undergo lots of changes. Right now, it’s terrible and can’t be trusted.
     
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