[Game] World Coins Time Machine… Counting Backward by Year! (Plus Prize Coin)

Leaving on vacation in the morning so posting one more before the trip.

1644 Wildman thaler

 

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Vice Royalty of Peru, Potosi, 8 reales, 1644 FR. "Furry" lions.
KM 19a
27.7 grams

 

My last "day off" was April 7th. No vacation for me till snow arrives. Then I will be unemployed and have 4+ months to be back in auctions/ coin forums...

 

Livonia/ Riga
AV Dukat 1644
Riga Mint
Queen Christina 1632-53

 

1643 Augsburg Thaler


1643-44 Ireland Ormonde Money

 

1645 I forgot....
Mainz/ ERzbistum
AV Dukat 1645
Mainz Mint
Anselm Casimir Wamboldt von Wollrath 1629-47

 

Ireland, Charles I, Ormonde crown, 1643-1644.
Davenport 3792
29.2 grams


England, Charles I, Oxford declaration half pound, 1643.
S-2945a
60.2 grams

 

What an absolutely fabulous coin @robinjojo ! I cannot think of a better one.

 

Thank you!

That coin came from Worldwide Coins of California in the early 1990s.

 

Continuing on the date theme here is my Charles Pound coin for 1642.
This coin caused me massive consternation as it looks as if it is the heaviest pound recorded at 123.8 g. I bought/traded it at a show and then weighed it when I returned home. Reading Besly's Metrology of the Civil War I could see it was overweight. This caused me some grief. Fortunately I live in Wales and Mr Belsy was the curator of coins at the National Museum of Wales ( retired ) and I was able to confirm the Brooker die match. I then sent it to London for XRF testing and the testers lost it for 2 weeks which caused a little bit more stress but finally true joy! The test came back with the correct composition percentages of metal which was a relief.
From what I have read, a 3% variance could be a coin that missed a melt cull under pressure to avoid criticism or purloined.


I've shown a Charles 1st Rose Farthing from a similar date range as a comparison between the largest hammered Stuart Coin and the smallest. This farthing weighs 0.8 g. This is 0.65% of the weight of the pound coin.
At this weight you would need about 155 farthings to match the weight but historically there were 960 farthings in a pound and I find that an interesting statistic relating to debased coinage and Fiat currency. In simple terms the poor were being ripped off!

 

A very impressive coin, and quite an account! These coins were made with silver from other coins and silver plate, as I understand, so silver content would fluctuate somewhat.

These massive coins must have been primarily presentation in nature, rather than used for financial purposes. What do you think?

 

I am minded to agree with you @robinjojo.
Besly reckoned they were given to very senior officers as some kind of commemorative service medal and I would tend to accept this because the smaller gold coins of the same value would be better currency than these huge pieces. Of course a pound was a significant sum of money and a pound would pay a foot soldiers wages at 8 pence a day for a month so they may have been used as currency for military transactions to transport large sums over distance. They could then be exchanged for smaller denominations. If they were given as some kind of medal to senior officers such as Colonels there were 100 foot and 100 horse regiment Colonels. If someone had access to the paid Coin Archives database ( I don't ) it would be interesting to see how many of these have been sold individually. If it is low hundreds then maybe they were individual awards of merit but if it is high hundreds that leans towards currency. They appear to be rare considering that they would be quite a curiosity so one would imagine a high survival rate.
I would compare to Cartwheel Twopences of George III, they were unpopular but there is a high survival rate as they were considered as novelties.

 

Thank you. It would be very interesting to see the mintage figures for the pound and half pound coins. My understanding is that half pound coins were also minted in Shrewsbury in 1642. I've seen the Oxford coins in the past, but not any from Shrewsbury.

 

Here's one more coin for 1643:

Spain, Philip IV, 8 reales, Seville, 1643 (R).
KM 39.6, Cal  615.
27.2 grams

The date may be a stretch, but there seems to be a 4 and part of a 3 on the reverse around 12 o'clock. This cob is typically very crude for the period.

 

Hungary 1641 Thaler


and a 1641 dated Italian Papal States Medal


Italian States, Papal, 1641 Medal, EF/AU, Urban VIII (Maffeo Barberini), 1623-1644. Possibly a later striking.

Obverse: Robed bust right
Reverse: Iron mining/refining scene with two smelters tending the ovens in the foreground while others mine the open pit in the distance.

Composition: Bronze
Weight: 36.6g
Diameter: 45mm

Signed G M (Gasparro Morone) on truncation.

 

Here are a few for 1641.

Netherlands, United Provinces, Overijssel, lion daalder, 1641.
Davenport 4860
27.09 grams


Netherlands, United Provinces, West Friesland, lion daalder, 1641.
Davenport 4870
27.2 grams


New Spain, Mexico, Philip IV, 8 reales, 1641 P.
KM 45
27.2 grams


Italy, Sardinia, Cagliari, Philip IV, 10 reali (scudo), 1641-1647. Madrid 8reales (1640-42) under-coin.
CNI II 1 5
27.4 grams
Note: Sardinia, under Philip IV, issued overstruck 10 reali crowns in the mid-17th century. The under coins were Spanish 8 reales cobs from the New World and Spain. All are very crude with little or no indication of the year minted. Remarkably, this coin shows evidence of an under coin from Madrid, with the MD B to the left of the shield on the obverse, and some detail of the Madrid lions and castles on the reverse. Additionally, the portrait of Philip IV appears on the obverse over portions of the Spanish cob's shield.

 

1640
1640 Charles I Shilling Type 4.4 mm Star 6th large Briot's Bust ex Baldwins S.2799 . I think I need a better image!

 

Hold on! I got some too 1642/1

 

Another Urban VIII medal this one featuring the Quirinal palace, dated 1640 but likely a later striking.