The 2003 epidemic of fake uncleaned coins

Discussion in 'Ancient Coins' started by Victor_Clark, Jul 27, 2025 at 3:48 PM.

  1. Victor_Clark

    Victor_Clark all my best friends are dead Romans Dealer

    I just had a blast from the past when I saw this on eBay--


    VF Constantine I AE Follis – VOT XX Captives – Virtvs Exercit – 320 A_ - www.ebay.com.jpg


    This type and other similarly crude coins began turning up in uncleaned coin lots in 2003. At first, some people thought that maybe these were "barbs" until it was noticed that they are all die matched.

    So a note of caution, as some collectors don't think that common LRB's are faked.

    Dane has a page with more info including other types--

    http://www.catbikes.ch/coinstuff/coins-fakes.htm
     
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  3. nerosmyfavorite68

    nerosmyfavorite68 Well-Known Member

    I bought maybe 100-200 uncleaneds in 2004. I don't think I had luck with a single one, although they seemed to be genuine uncleaneds. I used the 'best practices' I could find at the time, olive oil, etc. Just a slimy mess.
     
  4. The Meat man

    The Meat man Supporter! Supporter

    Usually, the lettering on imitations is more garbled and difficult/impossible to read than on the official issues...not the opposite!
     
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  5. nerosmyfavorite68

    nerosmyfavorite68 Well-Known Member

    Yeah, these would have been a major upgrade to mine. At least they would have had comic value.

    That's quite interesting how fakes have progressed.
     
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  6. maridvnvm

    maridvnvm Well-Known Member

    I believe that these were trying to be pretending to be "real" uncleaned coins rather than barbarous imitations. They were seeded into large batches of uncleaned coins.

    A few years later (2009 ish) a new batch of fakes were seeded into uncleaned lots or even as "hoards" in batches of 1,000 at a time. These were derived from real coins but they were easy to spot in this large batches due to the very limited number of dies involved and also the impossible pairings that were created.
    I created this image at the time illustrating the point on this second batch. They still turn up for sale regularly today.

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  7. Victor_Clark

    Victor_Clark all my best friends are dead Romans Dealer

    Yes, the person that made the fakes intended for them to be considered genuine Roman mint products; but as people began "cleaning" (they were just covered with a little dirt), they noticed the terrible style; so the idea that they were "barbs" was floated until people noticed all the die matches.
     
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