1936 D rpm-?

Discussion in 'Error Coins' started by steve.e, Jan 22, 2017.

  1. Pickin and Grinin

    Pickin and Grinin Well-Known Member

    @ACoinJob you are wrong an RPM is a mm that was punched into a working die, multiple times, this is elementary, Grasshopper.
     
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  3. ACoinJob

    ACoinJob There are still some out there to be had.

    There's no reference to it as a variety. However, doesn't mean they don't occur or don't exist. I ran into similar problems looking for the DDO Variety of 1976 D, DDO Type 1 quarters. Only 30 were minted in MS-64, by which I found useful and up to date info on it/them on PCGS's website. And, it's not in the RED BOOKS either, going all the way back to 1976 and there after.
     
  4. ACoinJob

    ACoinJob There are still some out there to be had.

    Maybe I will go look for them on PCGS's Population charts for varieties of 1936 D, RPM's...
    If I pull it up, and it actually says something, would everone be satisfied? Or, what if none exists there? After spending the last hour looking for them, there's no reference to it, and the only other info if it were available to something similar was the "1936-D/D 10C QDO & RPM" info I searched for without a trace of luck.
     
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  5. Oldhoopster

    Oldhoopster Member of the ANA since 1982

    The following comments recommendations are only meant to be helpful.

    Learn as much as you can about the minting process - There is a lot more info available now, than there was when I started 45 years ago (anybody remember Lonesome John Devine’s Major variety and Oddity of US Coins?).

    Don’t rely on the Red Book for pricing – The Red Book is a great general reference, but it’s not accurate for values. Want the current process of US coins? Get a subscription to CDN gray sheet. Want to get an idea of the value of error coins? Look at dealer lists, go to shows, or look at ebay sold prices (ebay caution: one data point doesn’t make a trend).

    Go to shows and look at lots of coins. Whether your interest is errors, ancients, Early copper, of mint state Morgans, there is no short cut for looking at lots of coins.

    You seem to keep asking for references if it isn’t in Red Book. This is always welcome when debating something new and or controversial, in this case, much of what the members are telling is common knowledge in the hobby. There are a lot of extremely knowledgeable people on CT. Some will go out of their way to help people, some may not have the patience for newbies, and there is always the occasional “know it all”. I’ve been actively collecting for over 45 years and am always looking to learn more about numismatics and history. I like to consider myself reasonably knowledgeable on most numismatic topics, but continue to run into people that know a heck of a lot more than I do. The trick is to know when to push back on “dubious” theories being pushed as facts and when to take some solid, well-meaning advice and learn from it.
     
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  6. Pickin and Grinin

    Pickin and Grinin Well-Known Member

    It is actually a D/D/D
     
  7. ACoinJob

    ACoinJob There are still some out there to be had.

    I asked PCGS if there were any 1936 D, 10C RPM possible. They should get back with me soon. No such reference for regular strikes in the varieties, but some that were repunched dies were 1934 and 1939. DDO were noted for 1936 but not the Denver Mints.
     

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  9. ACoinJob

    ACoinJob There are still some out there to be had.

    1936-D RPM-003
    D/D West but all the other examples appear to be chisled. The 003 version appears to be a realistic example of the DDO pennies I been finding for 1995 D with multiple profiles all over dates mintmarks, and head of lincoln. The othe ones are a bit shoddy, sloppy workmanship. The person DD North. I really remember coming across one of these as a youngster, but never in a million years would of thought about it up close like I have been for the last 6 years with a 25X microscope. I was thinking with the top & bottom legs of the letter "E" from "ONE" being stretched out north too, wasbecause of partial Lamination defect within means to caused it to be stretched out north. I see these in newer quarters, and have a doubling effect because of DDR. My best assumption, but from experience. If there's a way to tweek how the strike lands while it's in operation, and natural migration of wearing parts, they used grease to minimize the "migration of dies and cuffs on the rims, and the wearing them out parts, they could appear elongated and not perfectly round or even concentric, as in off centered.
     
  10. ACoinJob

    ACoinJob There are still some out there to be had.

    Thanks very much. I will favorite the Gray Sheets, I used them for reference one time in my life, but haven't there after. CDN gray sheet.
     
  11. Pickin and Grinin

    Pickin and Grinin Well-Known Member

    Not an Rpm-003, there is 3 d's in the op' s photos not 2, and one is clearly to the north.

    Your post #28 does not make any sense.
    It is only confusing young numismatists as yourself. Please stop.
     
  12. Rick Stachowski

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  13. mynamespat

    mynamespat Well-Known Member

    Quit writing people emails, quit looking at the 2017 RED BOOK as your sole source of information. There is an ungodly amount of free resources at your disposal to learn more, here's a few links to get you started:
    Wexler's Coins and Die Varieties
    The Lincoln Cent Resource
    Variety Vista Home
    http://maddieclashes.com/half-dollars.html
     
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  14. Paddy54

    Paddy54 Well-Known Member

    I very pro active in helping YN's in this hobby. I can still remember when I started collecting at 7 and how excited I was to get new coins as well learn more about this hobby.
    There are a lot of reasons I want our hobby to continue and the youth to be excited as I was as a child.
    Maybe it's me? But for the life of me I don't understand these kids.
    I was raised to respect my elders, and ask intelligent questions . Not to confront them and argue on points that have no basis for an argument .
    I truly hate to say this as again I want the same passion I share in this hobby to out live me.
    However there should be an age limit in here. Knowing quite well that may not help with all the stupid questions .
    But I swear I am done with these kids whom show no respect for their elders.
    Their manners lacking, arguing points that have already been explained to them.
    If I wanted to baby sit I start my own business!
    * Note to generation what ever.....you want to learn,you want to have a voice learn to respect the voices whom have spent 10,20,30 -50+ or more years in this hobby .
    The members here are not here to be your parents , we are not here to teach you manners.
    We are here to help you enjoy this hobby,sharing with you what we learned over the years we have invested in this hobby.
    Ask questions but do so respectfully and know your place...or you can go play with your x box and mature with no social graces!
     
  15. mynamespat

    mynamespat Well-Known Member

    IMO, just give your opinion. If they ask respectfully for more information/an explanation, take the time go into details. If they want to be argumentative, there's no reason to get into a verbal boxing match. Life is too short to be wasting time getting worked up over the little things.
     
  16. steve.e

    steve.e Cherry picker

    @ACoinJob back in the good old days. The Philly mint would make a coin die with all the details of the said coin. When that was done they would send said die to branch mint, such as the Denver or San Francisco mint. The Denver mint would then prepare the die by taking a steel rod with a tiny little D on the end. place it in the designated area of the die and smack the crap out of it. If they felt as though it was in the wrong place. Sometimes they would do their best to fix the problem. Sometimes, they would just move it a bit and smack it again. Oh crap that wasn't hard enough. SMACK!
    The outcome of this would be a D/D/D rpm.
    I hope this helps you understand that is why only the mint mark is affected. The dies were prepared without a mm. The branch mints would add there mark by hand to make them there own. Now it is different the mint marks are on the master hub. Example look at the1969s Lincoln cent doubled die 1 everything but the mint mark is doubled. Then look at 1995d Lincoln doubled die 1
    you will see the mint mark is also doubled.
     
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  17. Pickin and Grinin

    Pickin and Grinin Well-Known Member

    @ACoinJob, you should open a new thread for the coins in your avatar. I don't own a red book, If you gave us, a little information about them, and some pics, Obv. and Rev.
    There is always room for someone who wants to talk about coins.
    Welcome to CT.
     
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  18. ACoinJob

    ACoinJob There are still some out there to be had.

    Thanks for the welcome. I get that's it's a reworked die, variety. I'm not perfect, still gaining a birds-eye-view into the olden days, and how they had to make or produce to keep up with demands. I liked the hand hammered 1921 Peace Dollars, if the machines were down, they hammered them out by hand, and rolling them on cylindrical cookie cutter dies sometimes too. You learn things from various resources, as you read.
     
  19. ACoinJob

    ACoinJob There are still some out there to be had.

    Thanks for sharing. I only wanted to reference it for the 8 1/4$ coins in my own feeds, but migrating/sharing the info I picked up on through it over the years. It's a basic understanding with examples,(as in novelty) not actual down and dirty nitty-gritty hardcore collector or retail prices. Just for the novice.
     
  20. Pickin and Grinin

    Pickin and Grinin Well-Known Member

    The die was not re-worked. It was a working die with an RPM that struck "X,xxx" amount of planchets, before the mint employees discovered Working Die, Removed it And either tried to polish the RPM from it, Or Deface the die, so that it couldn't be used again.:pompous:

    www.error.ref.com
     
  21. steve.e

    steve.e Cherry picker

    Reworked die? I don't know about that. Philadelphia made the dies. Philly coins did not use a mint mark then. The branch mints did not make dies they took dies from Philly and just added a tiny little letter. Denver added a D. San Francisco added an S.
    New Orleans added an O. And so on.
     
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