1853 Gold Indian Token?

Discussion in 'US Coins Forum' started by BadThad, Jul 8, 2025 at 3:08 AM.

  1. BadThad

    BadThad Calibrated for Lincolns

    An 80 year old friend had this and asked me to look at it. I have no clue, my gut said "tourist junk" until I googled it a bit....now I'm not so sure. Appears to be MS, too good to be true most likely but, like I said, not my area of knowledge. It's the first time I've ever seen one of these.

    Came in a very old PVC flip with a rusty staple, my friend said she thought she's had it for decades - came from her deceased aunt. WHAT THE HECK IS THIS TINY DUDE?

    The weight is 0.31g, non-magnetic, 11 mm diameter, edges are also gold.

    1853_Gold Indian California Gold TokenGMY_07JUL2025.jpg 1853_Gold Indian California Gold TokenGMYrev_07JUL2025.jpg
     
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  3. ldhair

    ldhair Clean Supporter

    I did a lot of searching but found nothing. Fun piece.
     
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  4. Michael K

    Michael K Well-Known Member

    There are legit different types of 1853 fractional California gold pieces.
    IDK but this appears to be some kind of token. Take it to a "We Buy Gold" place and have it tested for free to see if it is really gold. If it is not, it is junk.
    They will have to scratch one of the edges on the stone to be able to test it.
     
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  5. Mr.Q

    Mr.Q Well-Known Member

    California fractional gold coins are mostly junk. If the owner is not willing to have the coin checked, leave it alone! Good luck.
     
  6. Collecting Nut

    Collecting Nut Borderline Hoarder

    To me it looks to be real, cleaned and worn. Those California fractional gold coins are difficult and I’m not an expert. I do have a few of the genuine ones.
     
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  7. physics-fan3.14

    physics-fan3.14 You got any more of them.... prooflikes?

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  8. BadThad

    BadThad Calibrated for Lincolns

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  9. mark_h

    mark_h Somewhere over the rainbow

    I like the idea to take it to a shop to find out if real gold first. My local coin shop has one of the guns to zap it and find out.
     
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  10. fretboard

    fretboard Defender of Old Coinage!

    Yep like Q said it's a California fractional, some are made of brass, usually the ones that say the denomination contains gold but it's kind of a hit or miss prospect. Best to take it to a jeweler or coin shop that has an XRF scanner and find out if it's real gold. good luck! thumbupp.gif
     
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  11. BadThad

    BadThad Calibrated for Lincolns

    So, if it is gold, does it have a numismatic premium? Is it actually from 1853 or just a modern fantasy replica?

    The comparable above sold for $264. I don't want to dump this off at melt for $100 unless that's all it really is.
     
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  12. KBBPLL

    KBBPLL Well-Known Member

    Here's another one, oddly the slab says 1853 but the coin says 1855.
    https://coins.ha.com/itm/western-so...0395-53511.s?ic4=GalleryView-Thumbnail-071515

    Actual 1853 but not the same obverse
    https://coins.ha.com/itm/western-so...0228-92185.s?ic4=GalleryView-Thumbnail-071515

    Seems like you're going to need a real expert.
     
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  13. The Half Dime

    The Half Dime Arrows!

    It looks to be real, but not considered a California gold coin, just a token. As weird as this sounds, the denominated ones are sometimes considered coins. I'm no expert on California gold, but this token -
    1866116-3.jpg
    - is also considered a coin. This is an 1864 quarter (1/4 dollar) that's currently on GreatCollections, a BG-735; I think the ones considered coins all have a BG number to them.

    The dated tokens like yours are generally brass or contain gold in fineness from 9 to 20 karat. I would send it to NGC to see what they think; while it probably won't get a BG number, it may be authentic.
     
  14. Michael K

    Michael K Well-Known Member

    Even if it is gold, you don't have to sell it.
    Why would they make a fake out of real gold?
    The issue I think there are legitimate pieces that weren't made out of gold.
    However, something like brass from 170 years ago would probably look like junk and be impossible to clean. (You would need nitric acid.)
     
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