Please help stop these eBay counterfeit auctions!

What I find interesting in the 1795 and 1798 dollar auctions is that he lists an NGC certificate number for each of them, and the numbers are legit for a 1795 MS-62 dollar and a 1798 AU-58 dollar. Just not the coins he is selling.

 

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I noticed the 1795 and the 1798 yesterday and reported both of them. I think is a shame that coins like this slip by on eBay. Please take time to report this seller. You gotta think the more reports they get the more likely eBay is to look at it.

 

Jeff, no disrespect to you but Ebay can stick it, for sooooo many reasons.

 

Yea I hate eBay and while I feel bad for these people bidding, it's their fault for being lazy and not making an effort to join a place like this and be guided correctly

 

What happens to the buyers of these counterfeit coins once they have received them. Assuming they will quickly learn they are fake, is there anything they can do?

 

He's from Chino. Chino has a large State Prison. Convicts often have access to computers. Could be working a scam with someone outside the prison. Wouldn't be the first time.

 

Sure. If you find out within 30 days, you can open a case with eBay, and they'll refund your money. Frequently, they won't even require you to return the coin to the seller. This does introduce some risk to honest sellers from dishonest buyers.

As we've been discussing in various threads, this isn't doing much to stem the rising tide of fakes on eBay. At least, it looks to me like the number is increasing sharply since eBay pulled the plug on direct coin reporting.

 

Hi
Need some advice also.

I bought two AR ancients off this UK ebay user on 4th Jan 2017

Username : razvan0ionut

Both where confirmed counterfeits. Guy was apologetic claimed he didn't know. I didn't believe him.

Anyway he issued me a refund which as yet hasn't cleared as he opted to pay me via echeque. I've spoken to him today via email and he's telling me its not his problem to ring paypal.

All his auctions end in two days. Can somebody look at his stock & tell me if they think what he's got left to sell is real or fake so i can report the matter to ebay. I can confirm to them the two i bought are fake but would like to get him atleast shutdown or put on a blacklist.

Regards
Stu.

 

You're still being scammed.

If he's issuing a refund in any way other than a direct refund of the payment type YOU used, he's still running a scam. Even if the echeque "clears", I wouldn't trust him not to reverse it.

Contact eBay IMMEDIATELY and outline the situation to them. If they aren't willing to help, contact PayPal IMMEDIATELY, same deal -- although I think eBay will make it right.

 

A Paypal Echeck is a known and valid thing, used by those Paypal account holders who choose not to have a backup option to enable Instant Transfer. If the OP has received Paypal notification that an Echeck is in progress, I wouldn't be worried. It's no more or less reversible than an Instant Transfer, anyway.

 

Thanks for the responses. I've just jumped in feet first and left Neg feedback to warn others. Hopefully he can't bounce the Echeque.

 

Thanks. Rang ebay. Made them fully aware of situation. They said i am covered no matter what and they placed a note on my complaint outlining the problem should he try to reverse the payment. I've also reported him for selling the counterfeits. They said they will look into it.

 

I'm pretty sure you've got more experience with e-checks than I do -- I'm not sure I've ever received one. I'd still be nervous, but I hope it's unfounded.

I also still think looping in eBay Customer Support was the right thing to do.

 

I've never received an echeque before. Thats what miffed me as technically my cash plus others must of been in his bank account all he had to do was issue a straight refund.
Anyway it sounds like i am covered now no matter what he chooses to do and i feel better that I've warned others of this seller via this thread but also his feedback.

Thanks for the tips.
Stu

 

Clearly you don't, but have you tried putting yourself in his shoes? Other than apologizing and issuing a refund (just as he did regardless of if you were familiar with or liked the method), how would you get a buyer to believe you? Think about it.

With all due respect, it's not his problem to call PayPal. He did as he should, and as SuperDave kindly explained, his refund method is perfectly legitimate and acceptable. If it was anyone's responsibility to call them over your concerns, it's you.

Obviously. You've hit him with three negative feedback (two negs and a false positive) and have admitted to not believing him even though he's done all that could reasonably be expected of someone who may not have known. Again, put yourself in his shoes and ask how you'd feel about some guy trying to destroy your eBay existence over what very well could be a mistake you've already done all you could to make right. Something tells me you, if the account was used for selling, wouldn't be all too pleased, so perhaps you should extend the same courtesy until or unless you have evidence of a scam.

I don't know if the other coins he's sold are legit or not, but as is evidenced by your posts here, neither do you. You may very well be in the right with wanting to warn others and to make him pay for his sins, but your handling of the situation couldn't be much worse IMO, and is because you didn't wait on the facts before acting.

 

Well thats your opinion & your untitled to it. Your not in full faculty of the facts. You've not got the email strings where he's ducking & diving trying his best to tell me i am not untitled to a refund & he will do me a swap on other coins. Thats how i ended up with feedback on three coins. It took me two days to get the refunds from him after i had linked him two days earlier to a website listing his coins as Bulgarian fakes. As far as i am concerned he knew full well what he was selling was dodgy and he should of refunded me the minute i brought it too his attention.

I've found him on Facebook. Relocated to the UK recently from Romania. He's in his mid twenties.
Doesn't strike me at all as a coin dealer. If you lived in the UK you'd be aware of the Romanian crime wave sweeping Britain.

Credit card fraud, people trafficking, prostitution, counterfeiting, pick pocketing.

Am not saying there all bad but in this case i believe i was justified in doing what i did and i feel a damn sight better now knowing he's come from a country next door to where the fakes originated from.

 

Before this goes down the drain, can we just be reasonable and not argue about things which are basically intuition?

 

No, and because it's not "reasonable". "Intuition" is no excuse for making accusations based solely on assumptions and/or emotions as opposed to fact. All too often here sellers, as long as they're not members that is, are considered guilty until proven innocent and even then half the time it doesn't matter. It's petty, wrong, and rather sad the forum is so often used in such a way.

What's worse... arguing or possibly unwarranted vengeance? That said, I don't know about the seller's other coins, but if memory serves me correctly, I believe you do. Any thoughts on the matter?

 

So you're condemning him based upon his ethnicity? Great job, sir; really! It's a very healthy approach...

You're also contradicting your earlier post, first stating that he was "apologetic", but now when convenient, he was just the opposite, "ducking and diving" and trying to avoid the very refund you earlier implied he issued without problem or hesitation.

The entire point of my post was to urge you to think before you act, but I can't say I'm surprised by the reaction. In fact it was expected, and was the whole reason I said anything. Again and again and again we see this type of post, where someone had a bad experience and instead of slowing down and waiting for the facts to come out, all they wish to do is act like a petulant child. This hobby and world in general would be a much better place if more would just stop for a moment, place themselves in the other person's shoes, and base their actions upon reason and facts as opposed to emotions. You very well may be right about this individual, but the FACT is you came here expressing an interest in punishing him, wanting to know if the others he's sold are fake, and didn't even bother waiting for educated answers to your very question before doing so. This says a lot about your true motivations, sir.

Also, and as an aside... One doesn't need to be a "coin dealer" to sell on eBay, and you most certainly know this. If you wish to deal with only professionals, that's fine, but don't run off to what amounts to the world's largest junk sale and then blame the seller for being what they are instead of what you wanted them to be.

 

Maybe I came across it before, but doesn't seem familiar. I generally don't venture out from the World Coins category