Bitcoin - I don't Understand

Discussion in 'Coin Chat' started by Randy Abercrombie, May 9, 2025 at 3:29 PM.

  1. ToughCOINS

    ToughCOINS Dealer Member Moderator

    Even if it made sense to mine Psyche, it would make sense only to mine those ores / elements of highest value density, of which gold is certainly not a member. The cost of transportation of heavy product in space is far too great to consider such endeavors.
     
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  3. -jeffB

    -jeffB Greshams LEO Supporter

    Not always. (Orbital mechanics is really, really weird.)

    But by the time we could put large-scale mining machinery to work on an asteroid, lots of other things would have to be different, too. If you could use material from the asteroid to make more solar panels, wiring, and factory equipment, the whole asteroid economy could grow exponentially, with little or no cost on Earth.

    The scary thing, given the state of the world right now, is that the "value" of a ten-thousand-ton delivery of metals depends less on the particular metals, and more on what city it hits at several miles per second.
     
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  4. -jeffB

    -jeffB Greshams LEO Supporter

    I thought that was the stock market, or the lottery, or RARE COINS STILL IN CIRCULATION TODAY, or...
     
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  5. ToughCOINS

    ToughCOINS Dealer Member Moderator

    How true, but surely you knew what I meant.

    I don't care what we can accomplish in the way of delivering mining machinery to an asteroid, the costs of returning the product to Earth are insurmountable for almost all rare / precious metals.

    Returning precious metals to Earth (safely) is a laughable concept because of their sheer weight, even if refined on the asteroid.

    Returning rare earth metals is likewise untenable because their refinement processes are so onerous that they would have to be returned to Earth in ore form.

    Finally, anyone wanting to invest in mining the asteroid would surely not want to await the extended delivery associated with orbital mechanics to realize a return on their investment, even if reentry could be reliably targeted at acceptable zones (shallow bodies of water, for one possibility). Besides, using orbital mechanics leaves one’s unattended payload susceptible to interception by pirates.
     
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  6. CoinCorgi

    CoinCorgi Tell your dog I said hi!

    You should put a double wide with a porch on your moon plot. Sell it as a timeshare.
     
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  7. ldhair

    ldhair Clean Supporter

    I chose to say no to Bitcoin because I didn't understand it and was too lazy to learn it.
     
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  8. ToughCOINS

    ToughCOINS Dealer Member Moderator

    Do they make helmets for corginauts?
     
  9. calcol

    calcol Supporter! Supporter

    Getting back to Randy’s question. Physical bitcoins are of two basic types. Those with the peel-off already down or off thereby exposing the access code (sometimes called unfunded). These have almost certainly have had the value transferred. Their only value is as a token. Those with the peel-off intact and issued by a generally trusted authority (sometimes called funded). Assumption is that the peel-off can be removed, the code revealed, and the value accessed and transferred. These have value based on current value of bitcoin plus token value.

    Some less well known facts about bitcoin. 1. There is a finite quantity that can be mined. Once they have all been mined, there will be no more. Mining consists of extensive bookkeeping for transfers, inventory, etc. for the bitcoin community. Once a certain amount of bookkeeping has been done, the bookkeeper will be awarded some bitcoin from the remaining unmined bitcoin. However, as the already mined bitcoin inventory grows, the amount of bookkeeping needed to be awarded unmined bitcoin also grows.

    2. Bitcoin will eventually disappear through lost and forgotten passwords. It’s estimated that 10-20% of bitcoin is already gone. This was a flaw in the design of bitcoin. What should have been done is to have an access-it-or-lose-it feature. For example, any bitcoin not accessed within 10 years reverts to the mine.

    Do I own any bitcoin, physical or in the cloud? Nope. Will I collect physical bitcoin, funded or unfunded? Sure. As soon as my collection of toenail parings of the rich and famous is complete.

    Cal
     
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  10. Dafydd

    Dafydd Supporter! Supporter

    Of course , not that I am cynical or distrustful by nature, but Great Collections are selling a collectible and not the value. The value is determined by whatever a buyer will pay. The grade is not even finite so if an unscrupulous owner submitted the coin, which could have passed through other hands, and the label had been peeled and superglued back, the value could already be gone with no guarantees from the owner or sellers. I doubt it the TPG submitted it through NDT methods to determine if there were fractures on the seal points of the label. My view is that with a MS 68 grade that is a "get out of jail free" card for them. Of course the assumed anonymity of the Bitcoin platform means that anyone that already has taken the value cannot be traced. This is a huge bucket of worms.
    I think I would stick my money into something more tangible. Probably not an Eid Mar denarius given recent history but there are many fabulous coins with little risk of a melt down than a Bit Coin.
     
  11. CoinCorgi

    CoinCorgi Tell your dog I said hi!

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  12. Randy Abercrombie

    Randy Abercrombie Supporter! Supporter

    Well that answers one of my lifelong questions….. So you can hear in the vacuum of space then!
     
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  13. ToughCOINS

    ToughCOINS Dealer Member Moderator

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  14. ToughCOINS

    ToughCOINS Dealer Member Moderator

    It’d take an awfully strong vacuum to prevent pickup by those ears . . .
     
  15. -jeffB

    -jeffB Greshams LEO Supporter

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  16. CoinCorgi

    CoinCorgi Tell your dog I said hi!

    What ears? Those are solar panels.

    Sorry for the nonsense, Randy.
     
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  17. ToughCOINS

    ToughCOINS Dealer Member Moderator

    Yeah, but it's cuter that way . . . for a split second anyway.
     
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  18. ToughCOINS

    ToughCOINS Dealer Member Moderator

    Don't apologize . . . he's enjoying it!
     
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  19. Randy Abercrombie

    Randy Abercrombie Supporter! Supporter

    Yes I am!
     
  20. general quarters

    general quarters Active Member

    my brother asks- how much would the white smoke from the vatican be worth? if captured. i could only guess at 5 bit coins.
     
  21. wxcoin

    wxcoin Getting no respect since I was a baby

    I'm thinking about starting a new currently, #$%@coin. If you think that I'm full of crap then you will understand it's value.
     
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