Is this too good to be true.

Discussion in 'US Coins Forum' started by Lee Gilmore, Apr 6, 2025.

  1. Lee Gilmore

    Lee Gilmore Active Member

    I was hoping for a little input from you all as to what your views are on this nice Proof 1874 US Trade Dollar. The toning just looks a little to colourful to me. If the toning is artificial is the coin fake too? It is the right size and weighs the right amount.
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  3. SensibleSal66

    SensibleSal66 U.S Casual Collector / Error Collector

    Is it magnetic?
    Looks funny to me. :wacky:
     
  4. Lee Gilmore

    Lee Gilmore Active Member

    No not magnetic
     
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  5. Mr. Numismatist

    Mr. Numismatist Strawberry Token Enthusiast

    The coin is fake. It's a pretty good one though.

    @Jack D. Young, is there a known counterfeit die with a broken "L" in "DOLLAR"?
     
  6. physics-fan3.14

    physics-fan3.14 You got any more of them.... prooflikes?

    I'll defer to Mr. Numismatist on the authenticity of the coin itself - but the toning is absolutely artificial. That blue-purple-magenta-orange coloring immediately sets off red flags, along with a host of other problems.
     
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  7. johnmilton

    johnmilton Well-Known Member

    The toning is either artificial or it's been photoshopped.

    Here is a top graded. PR-66+, piece from "Coinfacts."

    1874 Coin Facts Trade Dollar.jpg

    Here is a Proof I bought about a year ago. This is graded PR-64.

    My photo

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    StacksBowers photo.

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  8. -jeffB

    -jeffB Greshams LEO Supporter

    I can't tell whether this is a fake -- all proof Trade dollars look funny to me. But the broken "L" would surely have been noted by specialists in the issue. @KBBPLL, @Publius2, or anyone else from the Barber/Seated Liberty/John Reich Collectors Society want to weigh in?

    If this is a fake, it's a scary one. It's leagues beyond the Trade fakes I'm used to seeing posted.
     
  9. Mr.Q

    Mr.Q Well-Known Member

    At a quick glance looks good a closer look the coloring is off, fake.
     
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  10. johnmilton

    johnmilton Well-Known Member

    Oops! The photo of my coin is by Heritage.
     
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  11. Lee Gilmore

    Lee Gilmore Active Member

    I have since found out that this coin was sold at
    I have since found this coin. It sold at a auction in Canada in 2024 but was graded by ICG so I'm still not convinced Screenshot_20250407-203808~2.png
     
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  12. johnmilton

    johnmilton Well-Known Member

    If ICG graded it, thre is an excellent chance that it's genuine. You might say that the ICG is lose at times, but the graders there are good at spotting counterfeits.
     
  13. Mr.Q

    Mr.Q Well-Known Member

    If the coin is real, it could be a shock to many, including myself!
     
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  14. -jeffB

    -jeffB Greshams LEO Supporter

    The photos from the Canada sale are low resolution, but I can't see the "broken" feature of the L in those images. How certain are you that it's the same coin?
     
  15. Jack D. Young

    Jack D. Young Well-Known Member

    Very strange; larger image from the Canadian site does not show the "broken L" the same but something is going on with it...

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    Is the OP coin still in the ICG holder? I didn't see that mentioned in the post.
     
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  16. Jack D. Young

    Jack D. Young Well-Known Member

    I have not seen one...

    BUT, the 1st 2 images of proof 1874 Trades on PCGS show a weird "L"...

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    And a 3rd:

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    Last edited: Apr 9, 2025
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  17. alhenry92

    alhenry92 32 Year Old Liberty Nickel Enthusiast

    I've seen this (not exact mentioned but generally speaking) particular coin so many times in terms of being faked, is the trade dollar one of the most, if not THE most fake US coin?
     
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  18. SensibleSal66

    SensibleSal66 U.S Casual Collector / Error Collector

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  19. alhenry92

    alhenry92 32 Year Old Liberty Nickel Enthusiast

    Shocked to not see the '32-D or '32-S Washington Quarter on that list
     
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  20. SensibleSal66

    SensibleSal66 U.S Casual Collector / Error Collector

    I may be incorrect so correct me if you must, but I think the "scammers" add the letter to a PA minted quarter.
     
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  21. alhenry92

    alhenry92 32 Year Old Liberty Nickel Enthusiast

    I've heard about that story alot, they'd solder the "S" mint mark onto them
     
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