Ay CARRumba!

Discussion in 'Coin Chat' started by Cascade, Jan 1, 2017.

  1. Coinchemistry 2012

    Coinchemistry 2012 Well-Known Member

    I already had that conversation with him in another now locked thread on both topics. Maybe he will believe you over me.
     
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  3. Coinchemistry 2012

    Coinchemistry 2012 Well-Known Member

    IIRC, it took the Treasury/Mint 8 years to release a press release declaring Von Nothaus's coins as counterfeits.
     
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  4. Coinchemistry 2012

    Coinchemistry 2012 Well-Known Member

    Ebay doesn't have a report a counterfeit option. It does have one for replica/reproduction coins and all are prohibited (even legal ones). EBay doesn't remove them when reported. The same is true for the Von Nothaus NORFED stuff for which there was actually an adjudication that the NORFED pieces were counterfeits within the meaning of the law.
     
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  5. Coinchemistry 2012

    Coinchemistry 2012 Well-Known Member

    Why would the pro Carr side (you, cascade, and a few others) be charged with a crime? It is legal to possess and purchase counterfeits as long as there is no intent to defraud (as opposed to production of the pieces which courts have noted requires no such intent).
     
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  6. Coinchemistry 2012

    Coinchemistry 2012 Well-Known Member

    Expert as to what? The facts are not in dispute (i.e. that he produced the pieces), only the conclusions of law.
     
  7. dcarr

    dcarr Mint-Master

    Then why was Von Nothaus convicted of "counterfeiting" when he didn't actually make them ? They were manufactured by Sunshine Minting, and they were never charged of any crime, nor did they ever have anything of theirs confiscated.

    The reason is because Von Nothaus' activities amounted to "uttering".
     
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  8. -jeffB

    -jeffB Greshams LEO Supporter

    Ouch! Now that is some faint praise.
     
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  9. Coinchemistry 2012

    Coinchemistry 2012 Well-Known Member

    There is an opinion from the court on Von Nothaus's motion to acquit that discusses all of the issues. The court found him guilty under both theories/avenues (falsely making, forging, counterfeiting, etc.) and selling/uttering. It found the works to violate both paragraphs of 18 U.S.C. 485.
     
  10. Cascade

    Cascade CAC Grader, Founding Member

    Boy I honestly didn't think me posting a few new Carr pieces would turn into this. Although it makes me look like a clairvoyant in my choice of thread title lol
     
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  11. C-B-D

    C-B-D Well-Known Member

    :facepalm::rolleyes:
     
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  12. bdunnse

    bdunnse Who dat?

    Horse pucky.
     
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  13. Silverhouse

    Silverhouse Well-Known Member

    No offense intended, but DC causes some to flare at the nostrils.
     
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  14. eddiespin

    eddiespin Fast Eddie

    Will you boys quit horsing around with these horse references? Ah, look at it, now you got me doing it!
     
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  15. C-B-D

    C-B-D Well-Known Member

    At least you're not the other end of the horse!
     
  16. eddiespin

    eddiespin Fast Eddie

    For your information, the young fillies tell me I got a nice tail.
     
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  17. Silverhouse

    Silverhouse Well-Known Member

    What a night-mare. Ha!
     
  18. dcarr

    dcarr Mint-Master

    Was that during your last visit to the whore horse ?
    :hilarious:
     
  19. Numismat

    Numismat World coin enthusiast

    :eek:
     
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  20. Clawcoins

    Clawcoins Damaging Coins Daily

    he meant whorse house.
     
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  21. baseball21

    baseball21 Well-Known Member

    He = Carr
     
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