The original coin is not "destroyed". For example, a copper-nickel clad coin that is over-struck still shows on the edge the copper core and copper-nickel outer layers. A Chinese-made "1894-CC" Morgan represents as a legal-tender dollar, even though the US Treasury didn't get their dollar for it. It is an example of a currency counterfeit, so cheaply made that the makers could spend it as a dollar and still yield a profit. A fantasy-date over-strike on a genuine Morgan Dollar is different. I'm not "coining new pieces". I'm altering existing coins.
You're right. It isn't complicated but you seem to want to make it complex. He is not "falsely coining new pieces" he is merely altering an existing coin with a never used fantasy date. And the host coin is not "destroyed." So I agree, you're right. It's pretty simple to understand.
I have found myself wondering if DC's claim that "you can still see the original coin underneath" isn't just a convenient argument, stemming from the fact that his striking technique failed. You know what I mean? Like his inability to remove all evidence of the original coin wasn't purposeful, but now he uses it as another way to justify that what he's doing isn't "wrong."
He did publicly state that he used undisclosed processes to flatten the planchets before striking his 1964-D Peace Dollars in order to destroy as much of the host coin as possible. Maybe he is just getting lazier...
Wow, I just sat here and read all 17 pages of bickering I love you guys, I really do, but this is the impression that this thread gives me :
As far as the DCarr pieces, I'd rather use my energy on hunting down actual numismatic forgeries that are ripping people off as we speak. Gray area stuff like this shouldn't even be a concern while the real danger still lurks. My personal opinion is that they are gorgeous pieces or art, and the ones with ghosting that @Cascade posted are especially interesting. I would not buy one myself, but only because I have no interest in ultra modern numismatic pieces. I do admire them and enjoy seeing them as much as any other new pickups
That list only shows the current moderators. Note that Peter and Doug are listed alphabetically too, although they are admins with far more competences. Christian
Lol, the meme means that everything all together reads like mumbo jumbo. Some of you guys are arguing with each other and both are talking about different things.
No, I did not state that. Among other things, you inserted the word "destroy" in your commentary so as to sensationalize it. But it is false. Back in 2010 I had an extra step in the process which flattened the host coin somewhat prior to the over-strike. But that was not to "destroy" the host coin. It was to make it easier to over-strike because earlier steps in the process typically resulted in the coins being bent. The "flattening" was actually more of a straightening process. But this straightening wasn't necessary as it turned out, and I stopped doing that process several years ago. Note that even after that mild flattening, most of the original design details were still visible. And it is obvious on the "1964-D" over-strike Peace Dollars that some of the original host coin details remain.
Take a 1909 Lincoln Wheat cent and use a character punch to punch an "8" over the "9" (leaving everything else as it was) to make a "1908" Lincoln Wheat Cent. The resulting coin is not a "counterfeit". It is a genuine coin that has been altered.
Oh, so that's where you're going with that. The logic is, because it's struck over an existing cent, it's an alteration, and not a counterfeit. Very pretty. Then why don't you make one of those for me? Better still, can you alter a 1943 steel cent to 1944 for me? And a 1944 copper cent to 1943 for me? You don't have to do it all at once. I'll pay cash, you know, legal tender. In fact, I'll bet those would be real hot sellers to we fantasy collectors. And, just think of the overhead, as your raw materials cost is one cent, instead of a silver dollar. Silver spot is $16.46, right now, and silver dollars are $12.72. Subtract one cent, you're already way ahead, $12.71, on materials costs, on each counterfeit I mean altered cent you mint! Bet you'll make a lot more customers, too, and real happy ones.
No, I wouldn't do that or anything else for you. A "1943" or a "1944" Lincoln Cent is not a "fantasy date". Remember when I previously wrote in this thread that I would not do a "1958" Lincoln Cent because that is not a fantasy date ?
So we can all call each other names now when we disagree with them? New rule? I like it! Thanks @GDJMSP !
