Man Charged for selling Chinese Morgans!

I think it's a fine start. It's a felony conviction and his attorney argued for probation so that Mr. Sithole could provide restitution to his victims. I can only hope this means that restitution was a condition of the plea deal. Most of all, I'm glad the tax payers did not have to foot the bill for a trial. An article I read said that he had never spent more than 10 days in jail in the past, so I wonder if he would have even gotten the 10 months without this prior issue on his record. All's well-ish that ends well-ish.

 

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I't's good that they nailed this guy, but he's a little fish. The big fish that counterfeit all these Morgans are in China. And Morgans are a tiny drop in the bucket when it comes to all the counterfeit products that our predatory "friends" in China pour into our country.

 

Glad they caught and sentenced the bugger, but that last name. Imagine going through life with a name like that? Ya can't make this stuff up, right?

 

It's a common last name in Africa, like Smith in English speaking countries.

 

Really? Interesting........never knew that. Google was my friend.

 

This is actually a very interesting news story, and deserves more attention.

Does anyone know any more of the details? Was he prosecuted under the new terms of the Hobby Protection Act? Maybe @Coinchemistry 2012 knows more? We don't hear much about sellers of counterfeits being prosecuted - but this is good news. Sure, its only a first step, but it is an important one (in my opinion).

 

I doesn't seem that you feel the same way when it comes to Dan Carr items.

 

He's not a counterfiter so let's stay on the topic of a guy being prosecuted for selling Chinese fakes of actual dates with the obvious intent to defraud please

 

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He was convicted under 18 U.S.C. 485 (the counterfeiting statute cited in other threads here). There was a plea agreement. Counsel for the defendant filed a Notice of Appeal on December 29, 2016. Additional court documents providing the court's finding of facts are under seal at this time.

 

He was ordered to pay $9,580 restitution to his victims. Unfortunately, the tax payers are going to be forced to cover the costs. He was represented by a public defender, and is appealing (presumably his sentence) and is also asking the First Circuit Court of Appeals to waive the court docketing fees on appeal.

 

I was replying to books, who now is saying that people should know better about counterfeits, then, attacks D.C. who. DOES NOT CREATE COUNTERFEITS. Maybe you should un-ignore him to see what he posted.

 

Talk about unintended fallout. I have Books on Ignore, so I didn't see what you were quoting, and darned near put you on ignore as a result.

 

Thanks, I think.

 

Oh. Well that doesn't surprise me. Now you know why I have him on ignore. 90% of the time he's either attacking someone, some thing or contradicting himself

 

Agreed,Some people huh ?

 

Reading really isn't your strong suit, is it? What part of "business" or "so-called professional" do you not understand?

I've also never said Carr's copies are counterfeits, but I suppose not grasping this goes back to your lack of cognitive abilities.

 

Carr's copies are counterfeits. There. I said it.

My intention in my previous post was absolutely and 100% to draw comparison to the known counterfeiter, and I was wondering if the HPA had teeth and was being enforced. I am disappointed to find that it is not.

 

Could you show the exact date of the coins that Mr. Carr, as you stated, has counterfeited ?

 

This stops here! I know one side thinks and explains why it is not legal, and the other side has the faith that it is, or expecting great financial rewards for it. It may some day be decided in court, but it is not being renewed here. If you think I am not serious about this, then do so at risk!. Believe it or not, it is not a large aspect of numismatics. Happy New Year. Jim