Here Is A Very Nice 1933 USA Gold Coin, REAL!

Discussion in 'US Coins Forum' started by 7Jags, Feb 2, 2025.

  1. Pickin and Grinin

    Pickin and Grinin Well-Known Member

    I have seen him at many shows, nearly everytime I show up to a table he is talking about the history of a coin rather than trying to sell you something. And yes he sells more than just medals and tokens, FS.
     
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  3. The Half Dime

    The Half Dime Arrows!

    Here's what happened: Carr studied the 1955 doubled die, thought "How dramatic can I make it?", then ran out of copper pennies, so he decided to unleash the DDO and DDR on a spare $5 Indian he had, and on top of that he decided to date it 1933, one of the most historical dates in US coinage!

    That's a cool one, to be honest.
     
  4. physics-fan3.14

    physics-fan3.14 You got any more of them.... prooflikes?

    Congrats! You've made it onto my ignore list. Your opinion is no longer in my feed at all. Good luck with your counterfeits!
     
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  5. willieboyd2

    willieboyd2 First Class Poster

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    Are you a Man or a Mouse?

    :)
     
  6. lordmarcovan

    lordmarcovan 48-year collector Moderator

    Dan Carr does not strike counterfeits. He strikes fantasies. There IS a distinction. Now, you're perfectly allowed to consider them abominations if you like- that is your prerogative- but they aren't counterfeits. He uses date and type combinations that didn't exist before.
     
  7. Pickin and Grinin

    Pickin and Grinin Well-Known Member

    Well I guess if you can't win then you take your toys and go home.
    Sorry that that the facts just aren't on your side with this subject.
     
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  8. Pickin and Grinin

    Pickin and Grinin Well-Known Member

    Or, in the case of the 58D DDO I posted. Dan used a VDB on the reverse.
     
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  9. physics-fan3.14

    physics-fan3.14 You got any more of them.... prooflikes?

    Well, we proved this morning that this is a lie.... yeah, he used a subtle design difference, but he very clearly used a date and type combination that absolutely exists.

    How does that fit into your narrative?
     
  10. lordmarcovan

    lordmarcovan 48-year collector Moderator

    I really have no narrative on (or interest in) this subject at all. I do not collect Dan Carr fantasies, but I wouldn't call them abominations, either. To each their own.
     
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  11. atcarroll

    atcarroll Well-Known Member

    That's funny, I've never felt ripped off after purchasing something HE produced IMG_20250202_165542580.jpg IMG_20250202_165319673.jpg
     
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  12. 7Jags

    7Jags Well-Known Member


    Yes, we have. You come across as [best case] a curmudgeon that might well stick to his own posts. I quite agree with the above that each may collect what they choose and rather than coming across as you do, might just consider sticking to your own.

    And you wonder why there are so many who are interested in such. I do believe Michael Jackson wrote a song about the man in the mirror....

    Meanwhile, love the coin and the positive comments above!
     
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  13. mrweaseluv

    mrweaseluv Supporter! Supporter

    very Nice :D
    I'm a bit of a Dan Carr fan myself have the silver and brass versions of this strike :D 20250202_170921.jpg
     
  14. ToughCOINS

    ToughCOINS Dealer Member Moderator

    If Mr. Carr's use of the Half Eagle is to be supportable under The Hobby Protection Act, which is written specifically to allow for replica coinage, that half eagle must permanently bear the word "COPY" on it. Mr. Carr cannot claim protection under The Hobby Protection Act because his product is not marked "COPY" per the requirements.

    Thus, he has exposed himself to prosecution under 18 U.S. Code § 485 - Coins or bar:

    Whoever falsely makes, forges, or counterfeits any coin or bar in resemblance or similitude of any coin of a denomination higher than 5 cents or any gold or silver bar coined or stamped at any mint or assay office of the United States, or in resemblance or similitude of any foreign gold or silver coin current in the United States or in actual use and circulation as money within the United States; or

    Whoever passes, utters, publishes, sells, possesses, or brings into the United States any false, forged, or counterfeit coin or bar, knowing the same to be false, forged, or counterfeit, with intent to defraud any body politic or corporate, or any person, or attempts the commission of any offense described in this paragraph—

    Shall be fined under this title or imprisoned not more than fifteen years, or both.
    If you think using a fantasy date on the coin will get him a pass, consider whether the Secret Service would sit idly by after discovering a rash of fake Hundred Dollar bills series-dated 2020 (none were issued by the Treasury with that year printed on them) being passed in circulation.
     
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  15. atcarroll

    atcarroll Well-Known Member

    I think it would depend on if the 2020 dated hundreds were overprinted on genuine hundred dollar bills or not.
     
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  16. calcol

    calcol Supporter! Supporter

    Some curious wording. I'm not a lawyer. So, how does one utter any false, forged, or counterfeit coin or bar? o_O Cal
     
  17. mrweaseluv

    mrweaseluv Supporter! Supporter

    with intent to defraud
    Which Dan lacks.. he is very clear these are fantasy pieces NOT for use as currency :D
     
  18. SensibleSal66

    SensibleSal66 U.S Casual Collector / Error Collector

    Sort of like a Chia Pet. :D
     
  19. johnmilton

    johnmilton Well-Known Member

    I disagree with this completely. What you have is a fantasy piece, which in its best form is a novodel. That’s an official piece that was made with a set of dies made after the date that appears on the piece. The most famous examples are the 1804 Silver Dollars which were first struck in 1834.

    Some of the Dan Carr stuff, like the 1964 Peace Dollar, is okay to a point. For those who want a filler for a fantasy coin that once existed, I suppose it’s okay.

    Still these pieces which look like a real coin that bear a date that never existed are a recipe for trouble. Somewhere down the line, there will be a shyster who try to sell these things to a fish as “a recently discovered rarity.” It will be one more rooking that will give coin collecting a bad name.

    As for your last sentence, the poster is, in fact, a scientist. His area of expertise is nuclear physics. Hence the name @physics-fan3.14.
     
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  20. ernie11

    ernie11 Member

    Well, it's good news that some people here call this a "coin", because it must mean that one of the TPG's is now calling these coins. Which TPG has done this?
     
  21. johnmilton

    johnmilton Well-Known Member

    I don’t know that I would call it “good news.” These things are NOT coins. The legal definition of a coin is a piece that is recognized as legal tender by an issuing government. These things don’t qualify. They are really glorified “rounds.”

    As for the TPGs, I have seen some of them in slabs, but I can’t remember which company off the top of my head. This stuff doesn’t interest me so I don’t clutter my mind with it. I guess you might call them “genuine certified copies.”
     
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