Daniel Carr Fake, I just Reported it!!

Oh please. No irony at all. You claim to be a laywer yet you post stuff like this. He's an American citizen and almost all coin designs were paid for with US tax dollars. Therefore they belong to him, to me and to you for us to do with as we please. Or are you not familiar with public domain?

If the government paid him to create the Amero then any American citizen could use the design as they pleased but they didn't so we can't. Simple as that. He personally owns the Amero design while we all, every one of us, own the designs of most US coinage.

 

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And as to the art part, it's his addition and choice of design, font, size and year etc of the fantasy date. Plus his overall skill and talent in the execution of the pieces.

 

Apparently you cannot or will not read what was actually written. The quoted post started with "copyright law aside," and the post directly after specifically acknowledged the IP issues. That does not undermine the intellectual hypocrisy that is rampant in this thread, and I was correct in pointing it out. Regardless of whether his coins are entitled to copyright protection, ripping off someone else's design is ripping off someone else's design. What is good for the goose is good for the gander.

 

You can't argue for 40 pages about legality and then here say legal issues aside.

 

"Copywrite laws aside"

"Regardless of whether his coins are entitled to copywrite protection"

...Boy are you a good lawyer or what. Can I reatain you now for my future wife for our future divorce... P_l_e_a_s_e

 

Honestly the biggest hypocrisy is those that make all their moral arguments and preach standing from the soapbox about morality but then as soon as its on him their morals change.

The difference with his supporters is the disagreement that anything he does is illegal which you are entitled to your opinion on. There is no doubt that his design is owned by him

 

You caught the only hypocrisy so far in this thread too huh

 

You have to be intellectual to have those rights, don't you? So how can he have them if he isn't intellectual enough to know copyright in the United States is statutory and it doesn't determine those rights in other countries?

 

I'm currently booking bets on how many pages it's going to take for a moderator to show up here and shut us down, so just send me your money (...I deal in cash, BTW, no coins).

 

I understand we have a new moderator. BTW, this is CoinTalk's latest moderator training video, I don't know if you all saw it yet...

 

EBay is a US based company. Are you serious with all these comments? Honestly, I can't tell whether you are trying your hand at dry humor or not

 

New moderator? Who?

 

Some of you are unbelievable. Might I suggest that you and a few others lookup the word "hypocrisy" in the dictionary as it is non-existent in my posts. I am beginning to question the ages of some of the posters in this thread.

The hypocrisy is clear: Carr is venerated as an artist for the production of his fantasy overstrike pieces, which effectively copy someone else's original designs (the designer/engraver) and then overstrikes them over someone else's works (the U.S. Mint's final production). The person copying Carr's original designs (and making stylistic changes with artistic license) exhibits just as much artistry as Carr does in the production of his fantasy pieces. As Carr loves to argue (when comparing himself to Andy Warhol no less), "you don't get to decide what art is."

As for the copyright issues, for anyone that can pass an elementary school reading comprehension exam, I acknowledged the problems from the beginning. I never seriously argued that the Amero copies were legally or morally kosher. Regardless of whether a design is in the public domain or not does not change my original point: Ripping off someone else's work is ripping off someone else's work. Of course if any of you actually cared about the law, then neither Carr's fantasy overstrikes nor the Amero copies would exist in their current forms.

 

You better watch it, buddy, he's a friend of mine.

 

You opinion on the overstrikes is nothing more than an opinion. There is no opinion as to the ownership of the Amero designs. Anyone who cared about the law and only the law wouldn't let the players involved determine whether or not the law should be considered.

 

No one wins an internet fight.

 

Daniel Carr aside, if one tries to peddle a piece to the public on the grounds it is a Carr creation and it's not, then it's fraud. Period. Personal feelings about Carr's work -- pro or con --don't figure into it.

 

Man, some of these posters truly have cement between their ears!! What's so difficult to understand the Amero is not an overstrike or fantasy date, that the Amero is a totally original design to Mr. Carr, and not a 'knock-off' of anything, and to make something that is an exact copy, that DIDN'T come off the press HE'S got in CO, is FRAUDULENT, plain and simple. It deteriorated so quickly, and if you're a fan of Mr. Carr's work (I am, of his 'overstrikes', not so much of his Amero's, though I am a HUGE fan of his Denver mint commem medal)....I barely got through these 3 pages without wanting to pour gas on myself, light myself on fire, and run around like a guy who's, well, on fire!!!

 

Ok new proposal: We all get flights to Vegas and then meet up at a bar and settle this argument once and for all in person over a lot of alcohol

Imagine the server space that gets saved if it wasnt for all these Daniel Carr threads lol

 

Naturally you fail to acknowledge the marketing aspects.

I don't over-strike US Mint coins and then claim that the fantasy-date is a US Mint product. Likewise, if anyone were to over-strike or outright copy one of my designs, at the very least I would expect them to market it appropriately. The eBay auction in question did not indicate anything about being a copy of a Carr piece and the item description did nothing to dissuade a viewer that the coin was a genuine Carr coin.

There have been several cases where someone carved a different or altered design on one of my original-design coins, similar to a "hobo" nickel carving. I have no problem with that. If someone took one of my original Amero coins and over-struck it and then marketed it as a "John Doe over-strike of a Carr Amero" (for example), I would have no problem with that either.