Why is it Planchet Problems get a details grade?

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  1. baseball21

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  3. Cascade

    Cascade CAC Grader, Founding Member

    Oh, that? That's common knowledge. Trust me. The big 3 won't slab peeled laminations if they feel it has even a remote chance of coming loose
     
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  4. cpm9ball

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    Get one of the grading services to put it in writing. Then, I'll believe it.

    Chris
     
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  5. Cascade

    Cascade CAC Grader, Founding Member

    It's in writing in baseball's link. Click on "no grades" and it's Code 83, 5th up from the last
     
    Cascade, Dec 26, 2016
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  6. cpm9ball

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    The OP's thread discusses "Details" grades, not body-bags or no-grades. I understand a grading service refusing to grade a coin, but that is an entirely different thing from returning a Details grade.

    Chris
     
    cpm9ball, Dec 26, 2016
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  7. SuperDave

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    http://www.pcgs.com/news/no-grade-coins-pt3

    "Peeling Lamination."
     
    SuperDave, Dec 26, 2016
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  8. cpm9ball

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    Doesn't anybody understand the difference between Details Grades and No Grades? Geez o flip! Read the title of this damn thread.

    Chris
     
    cpm9ball, Dec 26, 2016
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  9. Jdiablo30

    Jdiablo30 Well-Known Member

    I had a 1909s vdv in a NGC slab that had a obverse lamination on it,from what I heard NGC would straight grade a coin like that,meanwhile PCGS,it would come back in a details slab.
     
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  10. SuperDave

    SuperDave Free the Cartwheels!

    What part of "Coins with a peeling lamination cannot be holdered" are you missing?
     
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  11. GDJMSP

    GDJMSP Numismatist Moderator

    What he is trying to get you to understand that there are coins with planchet flaws that are in holders, detail holders but still in one. And that thus there is a difference between a coin that will not be holdered, and a coin that is holdered in a details slab.

    In other words it's 2 different things. A peeling lamination is code 83, a planchet flaw is code 93. Plain and simple, in the eyes of the TPGs, a peeling lamination is not considered to be a planchet flaw.

    This is code 83 -

    83 Peeling Lamination Potential for sealing damage. These coins are not slabbed.


    This is code 93 -

    93|N-3 Planchet Flaw - Metal impurity or defect in the planchet –
    depends on severity.     These coins are slabbed.


    The key there is "depends on severity", and that has always been the case. However, "severe" aint what it used to be. It has been my observation that in recent years the TPGs have been much more lenient when it comes to giving a coin with a planchet flaw a straight grade. But that stands to reason as they have become much more lenient when it comes to giving grades period.

    And yes, there are most definitely differences between NGC and PCGS, but then there always has been. They quite intentionally do things differently so as to each set themselves apart from the other in hopes of taking business away from the other guy.
     
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  12. Paul M.

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    At PCGS, a details grade is considered a no grade. Here's what they have to say about code 93:

    See:
    http://www.pcgs.com/news/no-grade-coins-pt4
    http://www.pcgs.com/news/no-grade-coins-pt5
    http://www.pcgs.com/news/no-grade-coins-pt6
     
    Paul M., Dec 26, 2016
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  13. cpm9ball

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    Criminy, Paul! Read the first paragraph in Pt. 4 (which you posted above) and pay special attention to the last sentence.

    What's that old adage about a horse and water? You can lead a horse to water, but you can't make him take a bath! You guys are on your own!

    Chris
     
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  14. Cascade

    Cascade CAC Grader, Founding Member

    This thread is going in circles
     
    Cascade, Dec 26, 2016
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  15. eddiespin

    eddiespin Fast Eddie

    You can lead us but can't make us drink, either. Which, BTW, reminds me of the street-smart poet, Dorothy Parker, who, when cornered by a reporter on her diction to recite a sentence with the term "horticulture" in it, quickly flung back: "You can lead a whore to culture, but you can't make her think." :)
     
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  16. SuperDave

    SuperDave Free the Cartwheels!

    I was reacting to this:

    I showed him the writing.

    Nobody's saying they don't 93 laminations. I didn't say that, in fact, on the previous page I acknowledged it happened, just that it was the exception to the rule, at least in my experience. Chris didn't seem to think they'd refuse to holder anything like it, and I showed him where PCGS stated they would.

    This isn't as complex as you think.
     
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  17. GDJMSP

    GDJMSP Numismatist Moderator

    Well I don't know about you Dave but I got the idea that people were considering a peeling lamination to be the same thing as a planchet flaw - and it isn't. That was all Chris was saying.
     
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  18. cpm9ball

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    Dave, how about reacting to the title of this thread? It seems that you and some of the others want to talk about an entirely different subject. So, why don't you start your own thread?

    Chris
     
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