Hello all. It's a thread called "Shipwreck Era Saturday!!". A thread about all coins, tokens or even medals that are from a Shipwreck or from that era. Examples.... Cobs, Reale's and others. Be creative. Argh!! Post 'em coins there matey! Here is my 1783 2R coin from the famous shipwreck, The El Cazador. Here is some info. on the wreck. The El Cazador (meaning The Hunter in English) was a Spanish brig that sank in the Gulf of Mexico in 1784. In the 1770s the Spanish Louisiana Territory’s economy was faltering due to paper money that was not backed by silver or gold. Carlos III, King of Spain, decided to replace the worthless currency with valuable Spanish silver coins.[1] On 20 October 1783 Charles III of Spain sent her on a mission to bring much-needed hard currency to the Spanish colony of Louisiana in order to stabilize the currency. The ship sailed to Veracruz, Mexico, where she was loaded with approximately 450,000 Spanish reales.[2] To be more precise, she was loaded with silver Spanish coins, mostly 8 reales, “Pieces of Eight,” It carried 400,000 silver pesos and another 50,000 pesos worth of smaller change, of various dates. At one ounce to the peso, and 12 troy ounces to the pound, that's 37,500 pounds of silver.[1] King Carlos III enlisted his most trusted captain, Gabriel de Campos y Pineda, to command the ship.[3] On 11 January 1784, she sailed for New Orleans, and was never heard from again.[4][5] Spain’s attempts to locate the ship were unsuccessful and in June 1784, El Cazador was officially listed as missing at sea.[3 Thanks, and Post away!!
Oh! I forgot the idea for this thread. It came to me after watching the movie, "The Vanishing". Anyone see it? It's a British film on streaming TV< Forgot the App though right off the top of my head. It's about treasure. Bars of Gold..... Got your attention? The Vanishing (2018 film) - Wikipedia
The entire mintage of the East India Company 1808 10 cash coins was lost in the Admiral Gardner shipwreck, which was recovered in the 1980s. They look pretty good for having been in the ocean for 170+ years. I got this one recently at my LCS for a pittance.
Here is a ca. 1665-1682 Mexico City 8-reales “cob” salvaged from the 1682 Johanna shipwreck. But I no longer own it. The East Indiaman ship Johanna sank off the tip of South Africa in 1682 and was salvaged 300 years later, in 1982. Presently the only shipwreck coin in my collection is this gold 1877 Sydney mint Australian sovereign which was salvaged from the 1882 RMS Duoro shipwreck, which lay 1,500 feet deep in the Atlantic. The coin was struck at the Sydney mint in 1877 and was part of the cargo of the British Royal Mail steamship Douro, which sank in a nighttime collision with the Spanish ship Yrurac Bat off Cape Finisterre near the Spanish and Portuguese coast, on the evening of April 1, 1882. RMS Duoro. All of Duoro’s passengers and 32 of her crew were saved, but the captain and five of his officers- and the ship’s treasure of gold coins and bullion- sank with Douro in 1,500 feet of water. 53 people aboard the Spanish ship also perished when it too sank. The wreck was found in 1993 and salvage operations were completed by 1996. There were some 28,000 gold coins brought up from the Douro wreck. Most were gold sovereigns, but there were also some rare Brazilian and Portuguese coins. I find shipwreck coins fascinating. I guess there’s the natural appeal of a historical gold coin here, but also some touches of romance, tragedy, and adventure. To me, it would have been a lovely enough coin anyway, but the added history behind the shipwreck pedigree made it irresistible, so I threw caution to the wind and did what I had to do to beat the competition and win the auction in which I acquired it.
It's Admiral Gardner, so there's no "i" in the name. That one looks remarkably nice for a sea-salvaged piece. It's amazing how so many of these copper coins that spent nearly two centuries in the sea survived so well without major corrosion or pitting. They must have been pretty tightly stacked or on the inside of a cluster.
It's not Jonas in a whale's stomach ! It's Ahab in Jaws mouth! Hard to be in there without a "shipwreck"
El Cazador, obviously, though I find it interesting that they did not bother to mention the ship’s name on the holder.
I have been looking for a cool East India Company coin, particularly as I assemble a varied India collection to share with my Indian coworkers, who find this fascinating. I may have to search for one at a future show.
The Admiral Gardner coins are plentiful, and thus quite affordable. They’re likely the cheapest shipwreck pedigreed coins available on the market. For that reason, you can afford to be choosy when you select one. Without checking to confirm at the moment, I would expect there to be dozens of them on eBay.
I have read somewhere that the barrels that were filled with coins were also filled with wax to avoid corrosion during shipping.
Matthew Bolton's Soho Mint was well known for doing that, but the practice of sealing barrels with wax goes back to Roman times.
Good question. The primary allure of a shipwreck pedigree is knowing exactly which ship the coin(s) sank on. I mean, it’s all about the story, right?
If true in the case of the Admiral Gardner coins, that would certainly go a long way towards explaining their relatively nice preservation.
Excellent posts, all. I think I've posted the Otho before (pretty sure there was one shipwreck Saturday), but here's the Galba, another probable shipwreck (or sea) find. Galba - 68-69 AR Tetradrachm - Antioch - Prieur 100, RPC 4198 28mm, 10.0g (probable sea find) Someone on Numisforums was asking if the very similar red concretions on their solidus was the result of being underwater. The question went unanswered, but I wonder if this budget Zeno solidus was an ex-shipwreck coin? It'd help explain it being unusually banged up.