1955 double die?

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  1. -Andy-

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  3. paddyman98

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    Sorry I don't see any doubling.

    And don't forget.. the correct term is Doubled Die not Double
    Quote - "Note that the proper terminology for this occurrence includes the letter 'd' at the end of the first word, hence "doubled die". The term "double die" without the first word ending in 'd' is not proper numismatic terminology." closed quote
    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Doubled_die
    BIG difference
     
  4. -Andy-

    -Andy- Andrew B. -Andy- YN

    is this DDO?
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    THANKS!
     
  5. paddyman98

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    Buddy.. This is the Big One!
    1955.jpg
     
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  7. paddyman98

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    Nothing
    This is the 1969 Big One
    1969.jpg
     
  8. -Andy-

    -Andy- Andrew B. -Andy- YN

    so the one I showed you isn't DDO.
    :arghh:
     
  9. Valentinian

    Valentinian Well-Known Member

    This is a real question. I don't do US coins, but I know about ancients. Why do people use the term "doubled die" when in ancients we see such a coin (like @paddyman98 showed us above) we call it a "double strike" and think the die bounced a bit when struck so it hit the flan twice, or it was struck twice with the die in slightly different positions. Do US collectors really think the doubling was in the die and not in the strike? Or does "doubled die" just mean the die was impressed into the coin twice?
     
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  10. Kirkuleez

    Kirkuleez 80 proof

    A true doubled die is a result of the die, not the strike. There are plenty examples of a coin being struck multiple times, but this is not the same thing at all.
     
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  11. paddyman98

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    Interesting comment
    As Kirkuleez stated.. he is correct. And that's why I try to correct the person who uses the term Double instead of Doubled. I also mention "Big Difference"
    The Doubled Die is not a Double impression or else all the other images on the field would be doubled.
    So a Doubled Die and a Double Strike are 2 totally different occurrences
     
  12. ldhair

    ldhair Clean Supporter

    Many years ago, folks didn't give a darn if you called it a double die or a doubled die. Still today, most are good with either term.
     
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  13. eddiespin

    eddiespin Fast Eddie

    The Canadians I think I recall call them "double die." But then what do they know? :D
     
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  14. paddyman98

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    True. I have even seen a really old NGC slab use the term Double Die :vomit:
     
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  15. ldhair

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    Fun question. When did the Red Book start calling them doubled die?
     
  16. SuperDave

    SuperDave Free the Cartwheels!

    Am I correct in believing Ancients used hand-carved dies?

    More recent dies employed a Master Die (a negative just like the production die), machine-copied from a much larger original, which were then used to create positive-relief hubs ("Working Hubs") from which the actual striking dies were created. These production dies ("Working Dies") were impressed (while annealed) by the hubs, and it generally used to take more than one impression operation to get the design fully imparted. It's imperfect alignment between successive hub impressions which result in doubled dies.
     
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  17. Rick Stachowski

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  18. Treashunt

    Treashunt The Other Frank


    Fun answer.

    It took a minute, but the answer is:
    1960, with the 13th Edition.
    First listing of the 1955 doubled die, page #84.

    FYI: Ken Bressett was the individual who coined the term: "doubled die'.
     
  19. ldhair

    ldhair Clean Supporter

    I knew you had the answer.
    More fun.
    My 1961 18th Edition Blue Book has it as double die.
     
  20. Valentinian

    Valentinian Well-Known Member

    @SuperDave, your answer is clear and answers my question. Thank you.
     
  21. -Andy-

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