Thoughts on grading with die crack and cuds?

Discussion in 'Error Coins' started by No_Ragrets, Dec 29, 2024.

  1. No_Ragrets

    No_Ragrets Self-proclaimed Semi-Amateur Numismatist Supporter

    Good morning CT! I'm curious to hear what you have to say about potentially sending this in for grading... eventually... and if it would be worth the cost. As you may already know, I've let my PCGS membership lapse and I am not in much of a rush to join any TPG's for the foreseeable future, but this is one of the coins I'm considering sending in whenever I decide to pull the trigger. It's got an (obvious) obverse cud and some minor cuds on the reverse, as well as die cracks on the reverse which are not rim-to-rim.

    For what it is, this coin seems to be suffering from a weak strike due to the cracked dies and thus is lacking some of the more intricate details on the obverse. The denticles, "liberty" in tiara, and hair above her forehead and ear seem to be affected the most from the weak strike on the obverse, and denticles on the reverse as well. The cuds don't intrude into the fields, so I would like to think they wouldn't detract from a potentially higher grade, but the lack of the aforementioned details is what's concerning me. Would this weak strike limit the potential for something like MS-64 or higher? I see almost no signs of circulation with the exception of extremely small marks on her jaw.

    Please let me know what you think this might grade as and if you think it would be worth the cost to send it. It would be accompanied with other coins (for a total of maybe 6-8 coins being sent in) but again, I'm not in a rush to do so. Just fielding opinions currently.

    Thanks!
    1881 3cn Obv 52MP(2) Cud Resized.jpg 1881 3cn Rev 52MP Cud and Cracks Resized.jpg
     
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  3. Pickin and Grinin

    Pickin and Grinin Well-Known Member

    Die cracks, clashes etc, really shouldn't detract from the grade. These nickels were a bear for the mint to produce. The nickel composition was very hard and caused a lot of problems.

    As far as grading them I don't know. it isn't my series at all.
    Does the coin look that way in hand? It has a dull and lifeless look to it in the photos.
     
  4. ToughCOINS

    ToughCOINS Dealer Member Moderator

    Nice coin . . . completely natural, good luster (apparently the photographic lighting didn't help), no marks without magnification, and well struck elsewhere.

    I think that despite the localized weaknesses, the coin should grade MS64 every day of the week.
     
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  5. No_Ragrets

    No_Ragrets Self-proclaimed Semi-Amateur Numismatist Supporter

    That's my scope in action, there. Great for details, horrible for luster. It's definitely got original surfaces but my scope lighting doesn't show it. Without much of a doubt, this is a BU coin. I'm just not sure where on that spectrum it would fall.
     
  6. No_Ragrets

    No_Ragrets Self-proclaimed Semi-Amateur Numismatist Supporter

    Thanks! That's good to hear. I'm kind of on the fence in terms of having it graded, but hearing that is assuring.
     
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  7. No_Ragrets

    No_Ragrets Self-proclaimed Semi-Amateur Numismatist Supporter

    This coin also has a repunched date to tag along with the cuds and cracks:happy:
    1881 3cn Obv Zoomed Date 52MP Resized.jpg
     
  8. SensibleSal66

    SensibleSal66 U.S Casual Collector / Error Collector

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  9. Collecting Nut

    Collecting Nut Borderline Hoarder

    It all depends on the coin itself. Any coin with a minor mint error, like a die crack, cud, etc., shouldn’t be graded. Your Three Cent Nickel probably should be. The reverse has a rim cud and a near rim to rim die crack from 1 to 9 to 3 o’clock. A nice cud on the obverse. It may be weakly struck or a bit of grease on the die. That does not affect the grade of the coin.
     
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  10. No_Ragrets

    No_Ragrets Self-proclaimed Semi-Amateur Numismatist Supporter

    Last edited: Dec 29, 2024
  11. No_Ragrets

    No_Ragrets Self-proclaimed Semi-Amateur Numismatist Supporter

    Is that something worth mentioning on the forms when submitting? The weak strike, I mean. From what I've gathered, any notes on those forms are generally ignored when evaluating each coin, especially considering their time constraints.
     
  12. No_Ragrets

    No_Ragrets Self-proclaimed Semi-Amateur Numismatist Supporter

  13. No_Ragrets

    No_Ragrets Self-proclaimed Semi-Amateur Numismatist Supporter

    There's one at 12, too:)
     
  14. eddiespin

    eddiespin Fast Eddie

    MS64. Nice coin.
     
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