Two perhaps stupid questions...

Discussion in 'US Coins Forum' started by Santinidollar, Dec 15, 2016.

  1. Santinidollar

    Santinidollar Supporter! Supporter

    ...But help me out because I can't figure it out.

    1. An MS standing Liberty quarter can be a full head or not a full head. But can a non-MS be a full head? To put it another way, does it have to have an MS grade to be a full head?

    2. I was looking at 1885 CC Morgans and saw one very good dealer who wanted about $40 more for an AU58 than an MS62. Both coins, at least from pictures, look solid. Is that a common occurrence? I have one CC in AU58 and obviously, from looking about, it is not a common grade for CCs.

    Thanks in advance for any edification you can spare!
     
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  3. Yankee42

    Yankee42 Well-Known Member

    1. PCGS grades some AU SLQs as FH.
    2. Some AU 58s are much more beautiful than really baggy 62s.
     
  4. ToughCOINS

    ToughCOINS Dealer Member Moderator

    Because a coin need only equal or surpass the minimum requirements for full head, which is less than a perfect strike, and some coins were struck notably better than full head, they could incur some wear and still qualify for the FH designation.

    As previously stated by Yankee42, lower grade coins can often be much more desirable than higher grade coins, and justify more money, even though it doesn't necessarily feel right to pay more. On numerous occasions I've stretched more than a couple of grades in price to buy an extraordinarily nice example of a lower grade coin.
     
  5. Paddy54

    Paddy54 Well-Known Member

    AU 58 FH SLQ s-l400-3.jpg
    And will agree that sometimes a lower grade may have more eye appeal then one who is graded a point or two higher.
    The age old saying buy the coin not the slab definitely comes into play here.
    From getting to know you ...your likes as well as dislikes...I feel you're more comfortable buying a slabbed coin over raw.
    This may sound a tad bit odd this is a practice you need to stop.
    I understand you feel safe buying guarantee a graded coin.
    You need to trust your eye and knowledge and forget the plastic.
    Not saying you need to buy a high dollar coin raw, but start looking at raw coins using what you know.
    I also understand that there aren't a lot of shows and shops in your area. Buying any coin using images can be a home run or a let down. Asking questions is always good as it gains you knowledge , trust yourself with the knowledge you already have. :)
     
  6. Santinidollar

    Santinidollar Supporter! Supporter

    Thanks Paddy! It is good to know you.:D

    And you other guys, too. Can't get on this site without learning something!
     
  7. Paddy54

    Paddy54 Well-Known Member

    In the spirit of "Star Wars" when Luke is being taught how to become a Jedi Knight......"may the Swartz be with images.jpeg you!":)
     
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  8. heavycam.monstervam

    heavycam.monstervam Outlaw Trucker & Coin Hillbilly

    images.jpg Oh heck no, I was out looking for memes , u beat me to ito_O
     
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  9. Yankee42

    Yankee42 Well-Known Member

    Nice to have a cordial thread.
     
  10. SuperDave

    SuperDave Free the Cartwheels!

    AU58 my....never mind. You know. :p

    Keep in mind with AU's, it's usually the most distracting marks which wear away first. Most issues are "nicer" in high AU than in low MS.
     
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  11. Conder101

    Conder101 Numismatist

    1885 CC is a tougher date, but since most of them tht you see came from the GSA hoard from the 1970's, MS 1885-CC dollars are much more common than circulated ones. Most of the circulated ones you do see are well circulated so an AU will be high priced, but the relatively common MS ones will not be priced much higher,
     
  12. SuperDave

    SuperDave Free the Cartwheels!

    PCGS has 287 1885-CC's in all circulated grades combined (39 in AU) and almost 8,000 in MS64 alone. :)
     
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  13. Santinidollar

    Santinidollar Supporter! Supporter

    Once again, thanks to all. I'm a bit more edified now.:)
     
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  14. ToughCOINS

    ToughCOINS Dealer Member Moderator


    Not to put words in your mouth, but I think you might have wanted to express your thought differently.

    The most distracting of marks do not wear away going from low MS to AU, as the most distracting of marks on a low MS coin are fairly deep, and should need to wear substantially before disappearing. The nicer of AU coins were almost certainly nice MS coins, and managed to avoid significant marking when in circulation.

    Please correct me if I'm wrong about your thoughts.
     
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  15. David Setree Rare Coins

    David Setree Rare Coins Well-Known Member

    I would rather have a coin with a rub of wear that would otherwise grade MS64 than a strictly uncirculated coin that was weakly struck, baggy or otherwise unattractive.
     
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  16. Kirkuleez

    Kirkuleez 80 proof

    That's a beauty Paddy. Is it the obverse of your avatar?
     
  17. SuperDave

    SuperDave Free the Cartwheels!

    Only to the extent that I had in my mind - and typically expected you all would too :) - the knowledge that most (if not all) Mint State coins entering circulation are pretty nice to begin with, 63 at worst. You have to sit and be tossed around in a bag for quite a while to be damaged into MS60-62; coins minted and sent straight out to circulate don't get banged around that much.
     
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  18. Paddy54

    Paddy54 Well-Known Member

    Yes it is.....this is the coin SuperDave drools over.....and I searched for a coin as such for my type set for quite sometime . This one is not for sale for any amount !
     
  19. Kirkuleez

    Kirkuleez 80 proof

    In that case I wouldn't sell it either, much more fun to dangle it in front of super Dave.
     
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  20. Paddy54

    Paddy54 Well-Known Member

    Driving up to Gettysburg he was trying to figure a way to bail out of the car without me running him over..... :) at least he does appreciate it. And we had a good day at the show with quite a few members here. I'm quite sure he was happy he came down from Philly for the show.
     
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  21. Cascade

    Cascade CAC Grader, Founding Member

    AU 58/58+ can go for more that low/mid MS due to Everyman registry sets
     
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