Second question. Did the descriptions of Planchet Flaw and Peeling Lamination change over the years? I know that 30 years ago, they would both come back in body bags.
Well.... I don't have a photo here with me at work. Maybe five years ago I purchased a 1794 large cent that has very nice detail but also has obvious corrosion. I sent it in and asked for a genuine label and they did exactly that for me. So it isn't new.
Interested to see what the collective says. I just don't get it........if you go to the hassle of shipping a TPG coins, surviving the USPS incompetency, spending money on insurance, and waiting.........why not just get it graded in the process? It baffles me.
I am not sure I have a clamshell Jefferson 44P that is nearly split in half. It is in a PCGS 12.1 holder. March 2014.
Based on this release, it seems to have started in 2008. PCGS Revised Genuine Service My recollection was it was around the same time as the edgeview holders but I could be wrong. I am wrong, it appears that the PCGS pronged holder debuted in 2011. PCGS Museum of Coin Holders
When do they give out a DETAILS label ? GENUINE label ? And am I correct...neither one gets a number ? I thought DETAILS was with no number and it indicated a coin that has been altered....cleaned....surface changed....etc.
Some planchet flaws as in laminations or clamshells, they didn't encapsulate because lamination might come loose and float in the slab. Same with clamshells for the sake that they became separated.
I thought it was earlier than that, but that they charged a fortune for it and really only wanted to encourage its use for major rarities.
This news piece from 2017 says "about 10 years back" or 2007 https://web.archive.org/web/2021082...-coin-got-a-details-grade-what-does-that-mean But details codes go much further back in time. https://web.archive.org/web/20141118202257/https://www.pcgs.com/grades Older page to 2002 https://web.archive.org/web/20020102113310/http://www.pcgs.com:80/grades.chtml
As mentioned already 2007 is when the TPGs first started slabbing problem coins. If one searches the forum they'll find a great many posts/threads from that time condemning it, applauding it, and discussing it in pretty much every way imaginable. You could also search the numismatic magazine archives and find many articles there as well. Over the years many of the definitions used by PCGS, as well as other TPGs, have changed. And no they didn't all happen at the same time. You can find examples in the PCGS grading book, (2nd edition was 2004), and they'll be different from what is used today; in what they call the Lingo section on their website, and a different section (can't recall exactly what they call it) but it's where they tell you what they will give clean grades and what they will give problem coin designations. You could also use the Way Back Machine (internet archive) and examples there. This is a copy of what the problem coin designations used to be from some years ago. The only way I can find the original creation date of this file is to dig into some of my backups from years ago, and I have no idea which one off the top of my head. But I'll see if I can dig it up. But it does specifically list what you asked about Larry. No Grades PCGS will not grade and encapsulate any coins with the following problems: 82 Filed Rims Rim(s) and/or edge is filed. 83 Peeling Lamination Potential for sealing damage. 84 Holed and/or Plugged Any filled or non-filled hole. 86 No Opinion – our experts are unable to determine a coin’s authenticity – fee not refunded 87 Not Eligible For Service Selected – the coin is too valuable for the chosen service level – fee refunded 90 Questionable Authenticity – the coin is most likely a counterfeit. 91|N-1 Questionable/Artificial Toning (or Questionable Color for copper) 92|N-2 Cleaned – surface damage due to a harsh, abrasive cleaning 93|N-3 Planchet Flaw - Metal impurity or defect in the planchet – depends on severity 94|N-4 Altered Surface - Whizzed, harsh cleaning, thumbed over (using a pasty substance to cover defects or alter the appearance). 95|N-5 Scratch - depends on the severity of the scratch. Rim dent. 96|N-6 No Service – coins we do not certify (i.e. medals, some privately made issues, etc.) or cannot certify (i.e. over-sized coins) 97|N-7 Environmental Damage – i.e. corrosion, coating (lacquer), excessively heavy toning, etc. 98|N-8 Damage – deliberate surface damage, i.e. graffiti, spot(s) removed, etc. – depends on severity 99|N-9 PVC (Poly-Vinyl-Chloride) – a plasticizer used to produce vinyl that will leach out of the holder and onto the coin, eventually damaging the surfaces. No Grade Description 90 Not Genuine 91 Artificial Color 92 Cleaning 93 Planchet Flaw 94 Altered Surfaces 95 Scratch / Rim Dent 96 Refund - No Service 97 Environmental Damage 98 Damage 99 PVC
This is a copy of problem coin designations and codes taken from their website quite few years later. And as you can see they didn't even mention the codes 82,83, and 84 any longer. And if memory serves, what they say today is even different from this. PCGS – “NO GRADES”, GENUINE SERVICE, AND DESIGNATIONS No Grades PCGS will not grade and encapsulate any coins with the following problems: 86 No Opinion – our experts are unable to determine a coin’s authenticity – fee refunded 87 Not Eligible For Service Selected – the coin is too valuable for the chosen service level – fee refunded 90 Questionable Authenticity – the coin is most likely a counterfeit. 91|N-1 Questionable/Artificial Toning (or Questionable Color for copper) 92|N-2 Cleaned – surface damage due to a harsh, abrasive cleaning 93|N-3 Planchet Flaw - Metal impurity or defect in the planchet – depends on severity 94|N-4 Altered Surface - Whizzed, harsh cleaning, thumbed over (using a pasty substance to cover defects or alter the appearance). 95|N-5 Scratch - depends on the severity of the scratch 96|N-6 No Service – coins we do not certify (i.e. medals, some privately made issues, etc.) or cannot certify (i.e. over-sized coins) 97|N-7 Environmental Damage – i.e. corrosion, coating (lacquer), excessively heavy toning, etc. 98|N-8 Damage – deliberate surface damage, i.e. graffiti, spot(s) removed, etc. – depends on severity 99|N-9 PVC (Poly-Vinyl-Chloride) – a plasticizer used to produce vinyl that will leach out of the holder and onto the coin, eventually damaging the surfaces. GENUINE Service Coins with any of the problems listed above (except codes 86, 87, 90, 96, and 99) may be submitted under the PCGS Genuine Service. Holders and inserts for the Genuine service will be identical to the normal PCGS holder except that the insert will read “GENUINE” in place of the usual grade. No grade will be assigned to these coins, but they will be eligible for inclusion in the PCGS Set Registry with a grade value of 1. Genuine service coins will be covered under the PCGS Guarantee of Authenticity but not under the PCGS Guaranty of Grade. PCGS reserves the right to reject any coins submitted under the Guarantee Service, including coins that are excessively damaged, altered to such a degree that making a determination of authenticity is difficult or impossible, or which have surface contaminants that may harm the coin in the future. In such cases, PCGS will refund the fee and related shipping charges for that coin. Customers should submit all coins for the Genuine Service on a regular PCGS submission form, marking “GENUINE SERVICE” in the “Other” box. The fee for the Genuine service is $100 per coin. Turnaround times for the Genuine Service will be approximately two weeks. The Genuine Service is a stand-alone service and is not available in combination with any other service levels. “No-grades” from other service levels must be resubmitted under the Genuine Service in order to be encapsulated.