PCGS grades back (Spain Gold and China Copper)

Discussion in 'World Coins' started by britannia40, Dec 12, 2016.

  1. britannia40

    britannia40 Well-Known Member

    Just recieved my last set of grades from PCGS this morning. Im very pleased. Only the first 1 surprised me.

    1767 Spain 1/2 Escudo
    AU50
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    1786 Spain 1/2 Escudo
    AU53
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    1907 Fengtien 20 Cash Y11e
    AU58
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    1906 Kwangtung 10 Cash Y10r
    AU58
    COIN_IMG_2016_11_11_1478828540202.jpg COIN_IMG_2016_11_11_1478828546372.jpg
     
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  3. jwitten

    jwitten Well-Known Member

    Very nice. When did they get scanned in at pcgs? I have some there and I am wondering how much longer I have to wait. I like those gold... let me know if they ever go up for sale :)
     
  4. britannia40

    britannia40 Well-Known Member

    Grades just popped this morning. Cant even view pictures yet. Alas the gold are for my daughter. I want to say about a week and a half after arriving at pcgs
     
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  5. lordmarcovan

    lordmarcovan 48-year collector Moderator

    Nice. Always liked those little Young Head Charlie 3 pieces.
     
  6. britannia40

    britannia40 Well-Known Member

    The photos popped.
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  7. jwitten

    jwitten Well-Known Member

    Did they make pictures out of the holders too? I've never seen trueviews done like that.
     
  8. britannia40

    britannia40 Well-Known Member

    Yep these are their pictures.
     
  9. Mat

    Mat Ancient Coincoholic

    Very nice coins, britannia. Love the gold especially.
     
  10. RTScott1978

    RTScott1978 UK/Commonwealth Collector

    Great looking stuff, Britannia! Congrats on the grades and hopefully the first grade was a pleasant surprise.
     
  11. jwitten

    jwitten Well-Known Member

    I still find it odd there are not close-up picture of just the coin. Does anyone know if this is a normal thing?
     
  12. britannia40

    britannia40 Well-Known Member

    Yes i truly expected details
     
  13. lordmarcovan

    lordmarcovan 48-year collector Moderator

    I would've guessed that, too, even though I knew those "scratches" under the crown and shield on the first coin were adjustment marks. I suppose PCGS got it right. Those may detract a little bit from the coin's value, but they can't really be considered "problems" since they were made on the flan by the mint, before the striking.

    That's a good outcome. AU50 would've also been a pleasant surprise for me.

    I almost bought one of these with some really nice antique coppery toning, once, but just missed the opportunity. Seeing how yours graded out makes me think I should pay attention to these some more. They're great little historical gold coins and are still relatively affordable.
     
  14. britannia40

    britannia40 Well-Known Member

    Thank you. Adjustment marks explains it
     
  15. lordmarcovan

    lordmarcovan 48-year collector Moderator

    Yep. For anybody else who's reading this and wondering what "adjustment marks" are, they were done by the mint, usually with a file, to bring a gold or silver planchet (flan) down to the correct weight. This is why you'll often see them as a series of parallel grooves.

    Sometimes the die pressure of the subsequent striking of the coin obliterated the marks, and sometimes they can still be seen, either faintly, or as in the case above, more noticeably. Like some eye appeal issues such as dark or uneven toning or things like that, adjustment marks are considered to be a minor detraction, but they aren't really a "problem", since they were done by the mint prior to the striking of the coin.

    This is why the coin above straight-graded.

    In my experience, this is most often seen on 18th century coins, which of course the little half-escudo above is.
     
  16. lordmarcovan

    lordmarcovan 48-year collector Moderator

    I'll add that I'm more accustomed to seeing adjustment marks on bigger silver coins than small gold ones like this.

    And I don't know why they often filed the flat sides of the blanks/flans/planchets. Seems to me it would've been easier and more aesthetically pleasing if they'd done the filing on the edges? Anybody know anything more about this?
     
  17. lordmarcovan

    lordmarcovan 48-year collector Moderator

    @jwitten- It is my understanding that this is how the PCGS affiliates in Europe and Asia image the coins. The TrueView template you're more accustomed to seeing is a USA thing.
     
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