"Copper" Clad Coins

Discussion in 'Coin Chat' started by Kentucky, Dec 3, 2024.

  1. Kentucky

    Kentucky Well-Known Member

    Just saw a video on Facebook showing how to heat up clad coinage with a butane torch and then cool the coins by dipping in methanol to give them a copper appearance. I don't think the format of the video will allow me to put it here, but WOW.
     
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  4. SensibleSal66

    SensibleSal66 U.S Casual Collector / Error Collector

    Nice Pliers that they used. Didn't watch the movie.
     
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  5. -jeffB

    -jeffB Greshams LEO Supporter

    AAAAAUUUUGGGH

    1) DON'T DO THIS.
    2) If you do do this, do it OUTSIDE. Dumping a bunch of methanol vapor into your indoors? Very stupid.
    3) If you do do this, have a FIRE EXTINGUISHER close at hand. Methanol is flammable. Very flammable. Especially when vaporized.
    4) If you do do this, maybe put the methanol into a metal can rather than a glass beaker. That way, thermal stress from the red-hot coin won't crack your beaker, as it cracked the one in the video. He's lucky it didn't crack enough to dump all the methanol across the table.
    5) Methanol here is acting as a reducing agent, not an oxidizer. It reacts with the layer of copper and nickel oxides on the surface of the coin, combining with the oxygen and leaving the metal behind as a loose layer.

    When I did this as a kid, I heated a length of copper wire red-hot, then lowered it into the vapor above some methanol in a test tube. The wire had turned black from copper oxide, but it immediately turned bright copper-pink. There was a distinct smell of formaldehyde, which is what you get when you partially oxidize methanol. (It can also be oxidized further to formic acid, or all the way to carbon dioxide and water, but that's not what happened with the hot copper oxide -- it only went to formaldehyde.)

    Oh, yeah, and formaldehyde is also not great to breathe. Reread point 2 above.

    Sometimes I really hate YouTube "science" videos...
     
  6. element159

    element159 Member

    I also noticed that his beaker was cracked. -jeffB is on the money here.
    Another hazard of methanol, is that it burns with a barely visible flame, which can mean that it is on fire and you do not immediately notice.
     
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  7. Collecting Nut

    Collecting Nut Borderline Hoarder

    The things some people do. If they put forth half of their ideas and talents to constructive use the world would be a better place.
     
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  8. Kentucky

    Kentucky Well-Known Member

    The copper wire and methanol vapor is one that I have done in Freshman Chem labs.
     
  9. SensibleSal66

    SensibleSal66 U.S Casual Collector / Error Collector

    LOL, but isn't it better? That's what every parent tells their kid(s).
     
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  10. -jeffB

    -jeffB Greshams LEO Supporter

    Based on my own personal experience, getting a kid interested in chemistry can be a gateway to academic and professional success. Of course, there's an element of survivorship bias here.
     
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  11. green18

    green18 Unknown member Sweet on Commemorative Coins

    The only chemistry I do is a vinegar and oil salad........
     
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  12. KBBPLL

    KBBPLL Well-Known Member

    And if I click on it to see what you're talking about, it just gets rewarded and promoted more.
     
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  13. SensibleSal66

    SensibleSal66 U.S Casual Collector / Error Collector

    Well. I like to think that my wife and I have some chemistry. :smuggrin::rolleyes:
     
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