Question about Daniel Carr offerings

Yet that is the very reason why he is in compliance with the HPA, hmmm.

 

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why not just let the feds decide the legality of these restrikes ? As stated earlier, every thread on this subject ends in a debate over legalities. Like or don't like, they are being produced.

 

I'm going to go with the facts @Coinchemistry 2012 has posted. It's the truth and not just a bunch of trash talk.
Cascade.
Same story, same member that's going to post 50 times trying to beet the hell out of someone with a different opinion, even if their opinion is based on facts.

 

Oh please. I just counter the absurd. There is the letter of the law and the spirit of the law and Dan complies with both. His biggest silent advocate as well as the biggest death knell to you forum lawyers is the very people you love to site, the US government. They are fully aware of his activities and do nothing. The people who are tasked with interpreting the rules don't see him as breaking them. Simple as that.

 

Lol OK look at the newly updated HPA

https://www.ftc.gov/system/files/do...ces/2016/10/frn_hobby_final_rule_10-14-16.pdf

Specifically where they directly mention the proceeding case law that Doug has brought up numerous times and I posted earlier.

''Additionally, the Commission found
that it was unnecessary to amend the
Rules to address specific collectible
items (such as ‘‘fantasy coins,’’ as some
commenters suggested) because it can
address specific items as the need
arises.
21
Notably, the Commission has
addressed whether coins resembling
government-issued coins with date
variations are subject to the Rules.
In re
Gold Bullion Int’l, Ltd.,
92 F.T.C. 196
(1978). It concluded that such coins
should be marked as a ‘‘COPY’’ because
otherwise they could be mistaken for an
original numismatic item.'22

And here's that original determination again below and here's the exact text of footnote 22 from the HPA '

22
See
92 F.T.C. at 223 (‘‘[M]inor variations in
dates between an original and its alleged ‘copy’ are
insufficient to deprive the latter of its status as a
‘reproduction, copy or counterfeit’ of an ‘orginal
numismatic item’ and do not eliminate the
requirement that the latter be marked with the word
‘Copy.’ ’’

 

Let's be real, Dan takes a $15 dollar coin of which millions exist, and turns it into a collector piece, which he has stated that less than two thousand will be produced.

 

Read the laws and stop posting fiction. The truth is there if you will take the time.

 

The case they are siting and rules governing them are for designs struck on blank planchets with the intent to defraud. Defacing genuine coins with the same design and a fantasy date that never existed without the intent to defraud makes all the difference

 

Again, Dan's restrikes are cool ? That was the topic correct ?

 

No it doesn't but keep believing and arguing using logical fallacies to support your position over and over. Which is all you can do as you have no facts or supporting law in which to produce a proper defense.

 

Fact 1 (and only one needed)... He's not in jail and has been doing this for close to a decade now, out in the open for all to see

 

I know little to nothing about the laws, but if these were illegal, why aren't the Fed's arresting Dan ? I know it's gray area that needs to be defined more clearly, but as it is, it appears that what Dan is doing is legal, whether we like it or not.

 

They have but some people cannot accept the fact so they just spout the same things over and over on forums. The ANA also sided with Dan as well when these types made a complaint against him

 

Lol again a logical fallacy isn't a defense. He's been doing x for y doesn't somehow make him legally complaint even if it is a fact.

 

Yeah. Reminds me of watching some cable news networks nowadays

And it goes beyond that with the ANA. They actually even send the Modern Minting class at the Summer Seminar on a field trip to the Moonlight Mint to learn about minting and to get "up close and personal" with it

 

I'm always amazed at these Dan Carr threads, same folks always ready to condemn
his work. Did they notice that people do like his work no matter how hard they try to put him down.
I think Einstein said something about people doing the same thing over and over again. So I must be crazy for buying his craft.
Well I guess this will bother some folks.

 

It doesn't really make any difference how we interpret the law. The duly constituted authorities interpret the law. Until such time that they declare the Carr pieces to be illegal, they are legal. And if they declare them to be illegal, I'm sure the law affords Carr an avenue of appeal.

In the meantime, all threads like this are doing is aggravating the depletion of the ozone layer.

 

Oh great. Now they're gonna say Dan is resposible for global warming too

 

Oh look appeal to authority another logical fallacy for an argument.

 

Their opinion is the only one that matters. It's not a logical fallacy that they haven't tried to bring charges and that the ANA rejected the complaint. The only fallacy is this idea that it's illegal until proven to be legal. You are entitled to your opinion but it is just that an opinion no matter how many times you guys try and say they're facts.