Grade Opinion: 1909-S VDB

I think it's AU and shouldn't be touched but Thad is the expert on Lincoln's so if he thinks it's got a shot at low ms then I would believe him

 

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Off topic but any big Lincoln guys agree with Bowers that the 1909s VDB suffers from grade-flation ?

 

I feel much better now .

Do you see the massive change of color on the high parts of the OP's coin? That's why the OP's coin CANNOT be Unc.

 

I will admit, that the luster is more muted in the photo than in hand. In my personal opinion, I think this is a solid XF coin in hand. I'd like to think it could be an AU...but my gut says it's an XF. For the most part, the replies here have reinforced my thoughts.

 

@CamaroDMD I strongly disagree with this post:

Your coin is closer to Uncirculated than to VF/XF. Luster is hard to see in photos and any remaining on your coin is hidden by the typical surface contamination on copper. That's why many Large cent dealers brush each of their coins after removing them from the cotton pouch at shows. It brings out the surface.

That coin of yours can be "fixed" really good.

 

so what???

Camaro asked for opinions, and that's what he was given.

The fact that you disagree matters to you, but who else it matters to is beyond me.

You registered your opinion. I (and others) registered mine (theirs).

I believe that Camaro is intelligent enough to sort through them without your help.

 

I view CT as an OPEN CLASSROOM filled with students and no teacher. Remember how that worked in school?

All the students (you, me, and others) have opinions and we freely express them. I'm sure you have heard that particular joke about "opinions."

I have found that the "opinions" of several members are usually "right-on" while the opinions of other members are many times less informed. I'm old school, therefore, since I'm in a classroom filled with opinions I don't wish to hear the opinion of the "class clown" on anything! I SHOULD NOT NEED TO ADD THIS BUT I'M NOT CALLING YOU THE CLASS CLOWN.

Apparently, you have a coin show or something and are a "BIG WHEEL and a FOUNTAIN OF INFORMATION" around here. That's why I expect to read "great things" from you as I should think your show would get "canned" if you were one of the uninformed masses. In any case, this particular time, I strongly disagree with your opinion and hopefully it will not lead others to grade their coins extremely conservatively.

So, instead of getting all wound up and commenting on posters as @Cascade did earlier, let's stick with comments about the opinions (made by you at the moment) posters here have on the coin.

You have mentioned lack of luster. I refuted that and IMO the details left on the OP's coin are better than VF.

 

In all fairness, I will admit that my coin photography needs some work...I am working on it though. The photos of this coin do mute the luster. The coin does have quite a bit more luster than is clear in the photos.

 

I think your photo is excellent!

 

Looks like a solid low-AU to me.

If it's raw I would conserve it myself to ensure its stability.

I would also have it graded and slabbed by PCGS. The slab would protect it and remove any question about its authenticity (there should be none) and its grade (there appears to be a lot).
Lance.

 

Yes and theres always 1 or 2 in every classroom. I dont know you and never conversed with you but you seem bent on heckling or berrating anyone that doesnt agree to the “insider” view. Thats in many threads not just this 1.

 

You are very observant. So sorry I've offended your sensibilities. Try the ignore button. Try as hard as I may, I've not been able to rein myself in.
I was the class clown.

See if this makes sense. You learn to become a better tennis player by playing with people way above your skill level. In the same way, I try to increase my numismatic knowledge by debating MUCH BETTER professional numismatists than myself. Debate and disagreement are a good thing. When I strongly disagree with an opinion here and back it up, I expect a good debate so we all can learn from each other. Otherwise, IMO we are wasting our time here reading nonsense opinions that posters are not willing to back up with facts.

BTY, even the professionals often disagree 100% with each other; yet each opinion (just as yours of me ) is valid.

Oh, and do you have an opinion on the OP's coin?

 

Xf40-45 based on the rubs to the cheek hair n ear.

 

After looking at the coin on my monitor at home, I must admit, Richie, I missed it on this one originally. I think it is a solid no-brainer XF-45 as a technical grade and with the key date bump could conceivably go AU (down hill, with a tailwind if you KWIM) LOL.

My critique of the coin is this:

I think that there's too much rub on the cheek, the jaw, and the hair. The rest of the coin looks pretty well struck. The crud on it is disheartening, but tolerable, if necessary, and it's something I think most would love to own.

I would correct my previous grade to XF.

 

VF35

 

I could see that as being XF-45 to AU-53!

 

Silly Insider... CT is for likes and show-and-tell.

 

TPG overgrading is a problem with every popular key date. I think Rick Snow said something about overgraded 1877 IHCs ruining the market for them.

 

I agree with XF-45 sine I own a XF Details "Cleaned"