1922 D Lincoln Cent ?

I agree with your statement above ("Poor strikes are notoriously hard to grade.") 100%. That is why I ALSO disagree with the grade you have assigned to the piece.

Unfortunately, we will never know for sure what the coin actually is or what it grades as IMO, it is not worth $10 + postage both ways to have it seen by the professional authenticators and graders at a TPGS.

 

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So far you have disagreed with my grade - without proposing an alternative.
Disagreed with diagnosis - without any supporting facts.

You wouldn't care to back something up, would you?

 

You are the Lincoln cent "expert", not me . OP needs TPGS opinion but coin not worth it.

BTW, the website shows the "DIAGNOSTICS" for the various coins.

PS Hopefully, we'll get more members to use these things.

 

Got it. You have no idea what is right, just that I am wrong.

Oh, and if for some wild reason you are right and everyone else is wrong, it is still not worth grading;
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You might be right. It might grade a little higher...maybe VG but it's not much more than that. It's certainly not a weak D so there isn't a lot of value here.

 

I admire ANY "expert" that can still have an open mind! You are A+ IMO.

and... a crack in the thread appears to be opening:
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That's what eventually happens in coin seminars as beginners learn more and more about the nuances of grading.

 

I see no crack. You are still saying that you are right and everyone else is wrong, but you have no idea what is right. Go for it!

 

I just spent over 30 minutes writing a detailed reply and it just went up into the air! LOST. I need to get off and will reply again later.

 

Im no beginner my friend. I have enough experience to know that this coin is tricky to grade and needs to be seen in hand. I don't see any higher than a VG8 here and it may very well be lower. I'm just not going to say anything definitive because I'm using photos.

What I do know is this coin does not meet any of the weak D die characteristics and therefore was not made by any of those 3 dies.

 

Like I stated, YOU are still .....................

 

Ok my friend...I really appreciate your replies and how much I learn from these chats...I don't consider myself an expert better yet I'm very far from it and most likely I won't ever consider myself as such. However, I know there are times when the rules and standards don't really gives all the answers and there will always be some disagreements on grading and value as I have read in some grading books and others...and if we take it to the level of what is appealing to the eye its a whole different world of opinions! If this coin were the one missing in my collection you bet I would pay more than $10 to have it...so value goes beyond what it is worth on the money side.

 

Nowhere in this thread have I called ANYONE a beginner. I used the term to describe beginning students in a grading seminar. However, I realize that people who feel unsure of their skill level or inadequate tend to transfer the statements of others on to themselves and feel the need to defend their personal abilities as if the statement applied to them.

Unfortunately, I do not have the time or desire to recreate my "lost" posting so here is the short of it:

This is the beginning of the "crack" I mentioned:

QUOTE="CamaroDMD, post: 2583295, member: 5233"]You might be right. It might grade a little higher.[/QUOTE]

The posted coin is an excellent teaching coin. It was struck with very worn dies missing much of their original major detail. For example, there were no wheat lines left on the die so none were on the coin as struck! I have several examples like this and even more D & S Buffalo nickels that have no detail yet still have much of their original mint luster remaining. This is where the "art" of grading coins butts with the "science" of grading coins and placing a commercial value on them.

Technically, the OP's coin is closer to VF than it is to G. If a student graded it less than Fine, worn dies he would get an incorrect answer on the final exam and his instructor.

In the real world, outside the classroom, practically anyone who saw the coin would call it Good. It looks like a Good in a grading guide and it has the value of a Good. If the coin were sent to a TPGS and it was graded VF-10 or F-12 + weak strike or worn dies on the label, every "ex-pert" coin collector and most dealers who saw the slab would say the dummies at the TPGS really over graded the coin! Nevertheless, no matter what grade was on the slab, the coin would still only be worth the price of a Good!

This will have to do for now, my TV program has started.

 

It's not the so-called "Weak D," it's a worn D.

 

I guess we will to agree to disagree on this. Based on what I see in the photo, my opinion is the coin has a significant amount of wear. You are correct, the terrible strike associated with the 1922-D plays a roll in its appearance and thus it is not as worn as it might look at first glance. But, this example does contain significant wear.

I personally think coins like this are very hard to grade in photos and without seeing the coin in hand I can't give it a definitive grade. Based on what I see in the photos, it's a VG at best...but it looks like an AG due to the strike.

 

It's a 22-D, worn, But I'll take it. ( Great find ) !!!!!

 

is this worth anything?

 

It is worth a couple $5.

 

This is ALSO not entirely true. In the pre 1980's, when most of today's "Weak D's" were bought/sold/and CERTIFIED as 22-P's, many of these coins had no trace of the "D." These coins are still out there; however, after ANACS published studies on this date in the 1980's and after the major services decided that only coins from Die #2 would be considered 22-P's all the weak "D's" became worth much less.

Short and sweet: Weak D's exist with no trace of the mintmark.

 

And ANACS still does. Except I was referring to what most people believe.

 

The major grading services recognize "No D" coins from all 4 die pairs. Granted, the coins from Die #2 are more desirable.