Roman coin id

Discussion in 'Ancient Coins' started by Moda888, Nov 16, 2024.

  1. Moda888

    Moda888 Active Member

    Hello all

    can u help me to id this 2 coin

    I found it with old lot I bought long time ago
    Do u think it’s authentic ?
     

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  3. Bing

    Bing Illegitimi non carborundum Supporter

    The first is possibly:
    Caracalla Denarius. 213 AD. ANTONINVS PIVS AVG BRIT, laureate head right / P M TR P XVI COS IIII P P, Libertas standing left holding pileus & rod. RSC 224.

    The second is possibly:
    Domitian Denarius. IMP CAES DOMIT AVG GERM P M TR P XV, laureate head right / IMP XXII COS XVII CENS P P P, Minerva standing left, holding spear.
     
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  4. romismatist

    romismatist Well-Known Member

    In terms of authenticity, the fact that both coins appear to have been "treated" the same way with iron deposits gives me pause. Sure, it's possible that they could have been found together as the Domitian appears a bit more worn on the obverse, but there's still 100 years between the two. The detail on the Caracalla reverse seems a little too clean and both coins seem pressed rather than struck IMHO.

    Looking at the edges of the coins and knowing their diameters and weights may help further.
     
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  5. -monolith-

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    Both seem a bit "off" to me, the metal seems awkward.
     
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  6. Moda888

    Moda888 Active Member

    Thank for u reply

    the weight for the first one 2.97g / 19.7 mm
    The 2nd 2.8 / 17.8mm

    I add more photo for details
     

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  7. Moda888

    Moda888 Active Member

    Thanks for the information
     
  8. -monolith-

    -monolith- Supporter! Supporter

    These weights are light by 0.5g - 1.0g. Even though denarii weights can fluctuate due to trimming and environmental damage (porosity) they were fairly regulated and should fit within a tighter range than your coins. However, they could have been harshly cleaned to try any remove the rust deposits which would explain the dull toning of the metal.
     
  9. Moda888

    Moda888 Active Member

    This means it is highly likely to be fake.
     
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  10. Bing

    Bing Illegitimi non carborundum Supporter

    I guess I'm in the minority as I can see nothing to make me use the "F" word. They may be, but the images look fine to my old eyes.
     
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  11. -monolith-

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    Here are some coins from my Caracalla collection with various designs and toning for comparison:


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  12. RichardT

    RichardT Well-Known Member

    They both look like very poorly made fakes to me. Sorry.

    The Domitian in particular... The obverse looks very mushy overall. There doesn't appear to be any sharpness which you would expect from a struck coin. Plus the fields are very strange indeed.
     
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  13. Moda888

    Moda888 Active Member

    Thank
     
  14. Moda888

    Moda888 Active Member

    This after I clean it. It’s look strange
     

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