GD I agree with you on your statement. And I am I individual who gets extremely upset when someone calls meet ignorant because I have not learned something yet. I believe that is a word that should not be used it's a very insulting and derogatory word and a lot of people take that word in the wrong contexts. When someone calls me ignorant in my eyes there calling me stupid. Whether they mean to are not but that's the way I interpret that word and I know a lot of people that interpret that word the same way. and some of those people Most likely will knock your teeth out than to hear that word come out of your mouth again. I know ignorant and the term that is supposed to represent. But like everything else on CT people interpret words their own way. And the majority of people I've talked to. Since everyone likes my colorful phrases. The majority of people that collect just for fun do not really care about words and interpretation or proper definitions of certain words They really don't care. All they care about is how cool that coin looks. That's why people on CT tend to drive people away because are so anal-retentive about the proper terms being used. I know people that collect coins and put them in 5 gallon water jugs. Or have a box that they just throw them into. In my opinion the hard-core collectors on CT need to back off sometimes and let the novelist enjoy what they're doing. If they stick around they will pick up on the lingo and the proper terminology. But the lifers of coin collecting. Tend to push it a little too much in the beginning for new members. And if you haven't notice in today's age people are not likely to take criticism so lightly. I was sitting at the restaurant one morning having breakfast. The gentleman come over to me. I have seen this gentleman in the restaurant on several occasions. He reached into his pocket and pulled out this dime. And he explained to me that he heard me discuss coins with my friends. And you would know what this dime was. I explained to the gentleman that I'm just an every day collector but I will be glad to look at his dime. I immediately noticed a spot on the rim. And due to the different colors in the material. I told him I said Sir someone has put some solder on this dime. That's all it is. He just looked at me smiled and walked away. I had a feeling that this was on purpose. Because you never know who you will meet in the public.USMC60
I am ignorant. I am ignorant of so many things, it scares me to think of them. I have a degree in chemistry and teach in a college and yet I am so ignorant of so many things in chemistry, I am humbled. Now, is it a bad thing to be ignorant and humbled...not in the least. If we don't admit we are ignorant and humbled, we will never know any more than we know at that instant in time we decided that being ignorant was a bad thing. I feel I learn something almost on a daily basis, and I am humbled at the people who can teach me.
Sorry for randomly jumping in but it seems that by definition, an uncirculated coin cannot have been in circulation. So even if you got a coin graded at MS65 from a cashier's drawer, then that would *technically* not be uncirculated because even though it makes the grade, it has seen circulation of some kind.
The *technical* definition of "uncirculated", in the context of grading, has nothing to do with who moved a coin where. That's the point Doug has been trying to make.
I believe true homo sapiens became extinct 4000 years ago and we are homo omnisciencis. Most people think they know everything and even some smart people think that in aggregate people know just about everything. I know nothing. Experience allows me to function and to attempt to communicate.
Speaking of experience I can tell you something else that will make this subject seem even more incomprehensible to people who get hung up on semantics. As a coin wears down from the high points most coins will show this as fine scratches in the luster of the high points before the luster is broken. In other words even coins in the condition of uncirculated can have wear if you have the experience to see it. With older coins this is often reffered to as "cabinet rub" but cabinet rub is true wear that is simply ignored because of the way it accumulated where the wear in the luster doesn't matter because it doesn't break the luster. Simple enough? "Uncirculated" is a condition defined by not having a break in the luster at the high points. It is not a state. Uncirculated coins can have plenty of circulation.
We all are, it's just that not everybody knows that. The truly wise man knows how much there is he has yet to learn
So I hand you a coin that has no trace of wear on it whatsoever. You have no idea how I acquired it. Is it uncirculated? And if not, what it is it? You see all those MS Morgan dollars out there on the tables at coin shows in TPG slabs. I guarantee you they weren't submitted in mint sewn canvas bags with the graders personally pulling them out of the bags.
well that explains why I put aside some circulated change that looks like proofs. My latest was a quarter as when I looked at my change with other modern quarters this one stuck out with a mirror finish. Now where did I put that thing.
I go by the rule that there is ALWAYS someone else that knows more than myself. Numismatics clearly is one of those. I've learned so much just reading threads on this forum I know 10x more than when I first joined.
To whom it may concern: I just started reading this thread and found no need to read past Doug's answer to the OP's question in Post#3. Reminds me about a thread mucked up by "Grease." NUSMISMATICS IS NOT DIFFICULT. SOME PEOPLE MAKE IT SO AND AS A RESULT OF THEIR CONFUSE THEMSELVES AND EVERONE THEY COME INTO CONTACT WITH. I'll bet in the end , they still know nothing. Too bad. Happy Thanksgiving everyone!
SEE! This is EXACTLY what happens when goes on... @hotwheelsearl Read Post#3. As you posted and as anyone would think, it does not make sense. However, that's just the way it is FOR ALL INFORMED numismatists.
First. I have to admit that I have not read 100% of this thread. That said, The subject at hand would be so much easier to understand once people realize that there is an implied "appears to be" in front of every grade used in numismatics.
I always thought it was meant as I've heard it said hundreds of times over the years .a jack of all trades and a master of none. I've always looked at my life this way it is life too short not to experience everything you can possibly experience. And I can only hope I will learn new things until the day I die.A majority of people enjoy just doing one thing most of their life and get complacent. Unfortunately a lot of city dwellers could not really survive in an environment with only their Close on their back. Because they take the convenience of city life and I have adapted to that life. Take that same individual and drop hem in the middle of nowhere and most likely they will be dead within three days. I have to correct myself I know people that have lived just a little bit longer.My perspective I've always thought it was harder to survive in the big city. Than it is to survive in the wilderness.Have a good turkey day.USMC60
Went to New York City with my first wife. She lived over in New Jersey where she grew up as a kid. Only thing I liked in New York City was the subways. Basically too many sardines in one can for me. Happen to train with the first leader of the Guardian Angels up there, down in Miami needless to say that was many many years ago. I can't say that I wasn't born in the big city of Charlotte North Carolina. But I can say I grew up the first part of my life in the Blue Ridge Mountains. Don't know how many Tar Heels were scattered about. But I do know we had a fancy to moon out house or is commonly known as a double hole. And still to this day I like wild turkey a lot better than I like the domestic turkey. Everyone have a good turkey day.USMC60
