Featured What is a "CircCam", you ask? Look and see! And post yours!

Discussion in 'Coin Chat' started by lordmarcovan, Dec 24, 2016.

  1. KBBPLL

    KBBPLL Well-Known Member

    The right ribbon end had an extra fold added in 1901. All three mints had a mix of both, but the "thick ribbon" is fairly uncommon for 1901-S (which is a key date already). Philadelphia and New Orleans never used the older type again, but SF continued to use it thru 1905.
     
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  3. CoinCorgi

    CoinCorgi Tell your dog I said hi!

    Thanks for the details. Damn the minutiae.
     
  4. Barney McRae

    Barney McRae Well-Known Member

    I'm not a dime guy, but at 2:30 on the reverse, there's a little tassel looking thing on the corn stalk? Edit: nevermind, that was worn down more on the first coin.
     
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  5. -jeffB

    -jeffB Greshams LEO Supporter

    Yeah, I was playing "find six differences" with the images, too -- I haven't yet memorized the reverse types and PUPs for these. Kind of embarrassing, as there aren't that many to memorize!
     
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  6. ldhair

    ldhair Clean Supporter

    It's easy to not remember all the types. I have to look up most stuff anymore.
     
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  7. KBBPLL

    KBBPLL Well-Known Member

    When it comes to Barber types and transitions, I'm a master of useless knowledge. 1899-1905 was an interesting period for these - nickels, dimes, quarters and halves all have obv and rev hub changes spilling across years.
    Good effort though! You might also notice the floating kernels in the first example at 12:00, due to overpolishing the die, fairly common there and elsewhere.

    Back to CircCams and transitions too, here's Obv 1 over Rev 3, a fairly scarce combo for 1900-S quarters. 1900-S_25c_my_combo.jpg
     
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  8. geekpryde

    geekpryde Husband and Father Moderator

    Some CircCams I don't think I have posted in this thread before:

    1825 10C DIME - CAPPED BUST, TYPE 1, LARGE DENTILS PCGS VG10 CAC

    1825 10C DIME - CAPPED BUST, LARGE SIZE PCGS VG10 30362860 CAC Obv Slab.jpg

    1825 10C DIME - CAPPED BUST, LARGE SIZE PCGS VG10 30362860 CAC Rev Slab.jpg


    1818 25C QUARTER DOLLAR - CAPPED BUST, TYPE 1, LARGE SIZE PCGS G6 CAC
    1818 25C QUARTER DOLLAR - CAPPED BUST, LARGE SIZE PCGS G6 28712922 CAC Obv Slab-2.jpg
    1818 25C QUARTER DOLLAR - CAPPED BUST, LARGE SIZE PCGS G6 28712922 CAC Rev Slab-2.jpg


    1873 50C HALF DOLLAR - SEATED LIBERTY, TYPE 6, MOTTO, ARROWS AT DATE PCGS VG10 (not arrived yet)

    1873 50C HALF DOLLAR - SEATED LIBERTY, TYPE 6, MOTTO, ARROWS AT DATE PCGS VG10 49768730 TrueView.jpg
     
  9. geekpryde

    geekpryde Husband and Father Moderator

    These I consider "borderline" CirCams. Sometime I think they fit the bill, and sometimes not:

    1831 10C DIME - CAPPED BUST, TYPE 2, SMALL DENTILS PCGS F12 CAC

    Reverse looks good, but Obverse is so-so. What do you think?

    1831 10C DIME - CAPPED BUST, TYPE 2, SMALL DENTILS PCGS F12 26169047 CAC Obv Slab v2.jpg

    1831 10C DIME - CAPPED BUST, TYPE 2, SMALL DENTILS PCGS F12 26169047 CAC Rev Slab v2.jpg


    1914 S 25C QUARTER DOLLAR - BARBER LIBERTY HEAD PCGS VG10 CAC

    Again, Obverse looks so-so to me.

    1914 S 25C Quarter Dollar - Barber Liberty Head PCGS VG10 28244486 CAC TrueView Full.jpg


    1911 S 50C HALF DOLLAR - BARBER LIBERTY HEAD PCGS F12 CAC

    not sure...

    1911 S 50C Half Dollar - Barber Liberty Head PCGS F12 26850920 CAC TrueView Full.jpg
     
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  10. lordmarcovan

    lordmarcovan 48-year collector Moderator

    Love ‘em!

    I usually refer to those “borderline” CircCams as “crusty”. :)

    I think the 1831 dime qualifies as a CircCam.
     
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  11. bradgator2

    bradgator2 Well-Known Member

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  13. Bill in Burl

    Bill in Burl Collector

    OK, I'll bite .... I went back about as far as my eyes would take me. What, exactly is a CirCam? I'll guess that it's a kind of cameo appearance on a well-worn coin, usually Liberty or another famous lady/ruler.
     
  14. -jeffB

    -jeffB Greshams LEO Supporter

    If you click on the "1" at the bottom of the page, it'll take you back to the first page of the thread, where there's a great definition.
     
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  15. charley

    charley Well-Known Member

    I have always considered the "CircCam" to be a useless description, and when persons use the description as a selling point, I move on.
    It is not the type of eye appeal attribute that makes is interesting, to me.

    I certainly understand that it appeals to some collectors, and everyone has a difference in eyesight and what appeals to a person individually
    is subjective.

    A consideration checkpoint for elimination from purchase decision in lieu of a similar piece? I don't think so.
     
  16. Bill in Burl

    Bill in Burl Collector

    They just look to me like a normal circulated coin that someone polished with a buffer, hitting the high spots.
     
  17. lordmarcovan

    lordmarcovan 48-year collector Moderator

    That’s a rather extreme example, but not far off. Except coins hit with a buffer are problem coins. I would imagine they’d be overpolished on the high points.

    My idea of a CircCam is one that got rubbed on the high points naturally, as a result of normal circulation, rather than something deliberately created. A CircCam coin will still have wholly original patina on the lower points.

    Could you take a darkly toned original coin and carefully rub the high points (not with a buffer or anything so extreme) to make it into a CircCam? I suppose you could, but I don’t really foresee anyone doing that.
     
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  18. geekpryde

    geekpryde Husband and Father Moderator


    It's all personal preference of course, a Chocolate vs. Vanilla type of situation.

    If I were to describe why I personally love the look of a "CircCam" its because I like to collect circulated grades. In the lower circulated grades, a coin mostly loses some of what makes a coin special. For instance, intricate details and bright shiny luster is gone, and in many cases it has lost any colorful toning it could have once had.

    So, what we have now is a coin lacking fine details, lacking luster, lacking toning, lacking high relief, likely has crud and dirt and scrapes and dings. Now, if the coin in monotone in color, lacks contrast between the devices and fields, well, a coin can just plain look "flat".

    Now comes along a coin, that still has is lacking fine details, lacking luster, lacking high relief between the fields and devices, is dark in appearance, BUT has a high contrast look to it. The dark fields contrasting against the lighter, almost white, devices with a pleasant smoothness to the wear. Suddenly the devices stand out again, replacing "details" and luster with a clean delineation based on color, black and white. You can "see" the design again, though mostly worn away, through sort of an "outline" effect based on contrast, which highlights and make the devices stand out. The "cameo" effect is similar to how proof coins, held at the right angle, show the fields as inky black contrasting sharply with the frosty whiteish devices.

    For me, coins with this simulated cameo effect have something "special" about them that separates them from the pack of coins that otherwise are the same type, have the same numeric grade, etc. The term, when applied to appropriate coins, is not mere marking fluff. It describes an actual appearance a coin possesses.

    Again, totally a Chocolate vs Vanilla thing, I totally get why some people would not care or even dislike "CircCams". I do think that the effect/look is aptly named, as "Circulated Cameo" to me perfectly describes how I see these coins.

    I imagine its why some people still like black-and-white photography in a world dominated by color.
     
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  19. charley

    charley Well-Known Member

    Personal preference is what makes collecting a Hobby.
    That does not translate to investment shananaganigans.

    My position is when "CircCam" is presented by sellers as a extraspecialgohsdarnbuyit now piece, that is a battle tank without fuel or batteries. That happens quite often.
     
  20. charley

    charley Well-Known Member

    ABSOLUTELY!
    There is no better display of photographic talent than to be gifted to convey a superiority of Art and the ability to explain, in black and white, the stark realism and emotion and beauty of a Subject.
     
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  21. KBBPLL

    KBBPLL Well-Known Member

    Technically you should call it circulation cameo, since circulated cameo implies that it was an actual cameo that got circulated. But no big deal either way.
     
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