The coin imaged below appears to be a 2 Tournois coin of Chateau Regnault, of Conti. It does not appear to be in the list "Coins from the Principality of Château-Regnault in Ardennes", on the Numista website - https://en.numista.com/catalogue/chateau_regnault_principality-1.html The obverse is punctuated as follows: *F.DE.BOURBON.P.DE.CONTI . . This particular punctuation of periods & star does not appear to be among the "Coins from the Principality of Château-Regnault in Ardennes" on the Numista website. The reverse is punctuated as follows: *DOVBLE (rosette of 6 petals) TOVRNOIS. It appears as the reverse of type 14 on the "Coins from the Principality of Château-Regnault in Ardennes" Numista website. However the obverse of type 14 does not match the obverse of the subject coin. Types 3,4 & 11 do not appear to be listed on "Coins from the Principality of Château-Regnault in Ardennes". It thus appears that the subject coin may be listed among the unlisted 3,4 &11 types. Red arrows point to punctuations and other devices (or lack thereof) of this particular subject coin example. All thoughts welcome.
I know in the world of German States coinage some coins are simply listed with "varieties exist" and it is almost always referring to variations in the legends, added/missing letters, symbols and punctuation. Maybe this could be case here? I think as long as the weights and diameter are correct, it could be a variety under an existing km#. I have long wondered about the sometimes arbitrary attribution of KM numbers, in these cases. Some minor variations get a new number, usually as a decimal place while other manor differences are referred to as "varieties exist."
Thank you JL for responding. In examining the list of known varieties, I indicated that Type 14 was closest in the design elements, inscriptions and punctuation to the subject coin. The reverse of Type 14 does exhibit the same inscription and fleur de lis device as the subject coin. However, the alignment of the inscription is not the same on both. On the Type 14, the tip of the lowest lis aligns with the left side of the star. On the subject coin the tip of the lowest lis aligns with the left side of the upright of the ‘T’. In addition, the fleur de lis of each of the coins has a different design (see images below). Careful examination of the fonts of each coin, reveal that the subject coin has slightly shorter and slightly narrower letters than corresponding letters in the Type 14. Thus the fonts are different. One result of the font difference, exhibits itself on the obverse. The inscription of the subject coin, exhibits a shorter circumferential length than the Type 14. This results in a wide gap between the star and ‘I’ of CONTI. Thus, the alignment of lettering with the bust does not match the Type 14 (see images below). Due to the differences indicated above, and in the previous post, It is my contention that the subject coin should be given the status of a new TYPE or Subtype. Of course, the above analysis may not prove adequate to allow the status of the subject coin to change. Thanks once again JL for taking the time to respond and sharing your thoughts…much appreciated! Apologies for the differences in the image sizes...
From my understanding, it really takes a dedicated person to do all of the updates for Krause and some areas just do not have a person actively working on them. That's why it often takes several years for some new coins to be assigned numbers. Plus, what is already finished is often infrequently revised. Many times with older coins a more specialized catalogue number may be used. For the Germans states this could be an MB, Saurma, etc. reference number. There is likely a reference for these coins that may lead to a reference number. Poke around on numista and they may cite the sources and that would be an excellent place to start going down the rabbit hole!
The references below were consulted. My conclusion still holds for the moment (the subject coin is singular). Nevertheless, perhaps a member quite familiar with the series may find an exact match from other sources. The first two catalogs below were consulted in their on-line form. The Poey d’Avant catalog is that of Tome 3, of which the province of Champagne is relevant, as it contains among others, the coinage of Chateau Renaud (Regnault). Catalogue des doubles et deniers tournois de cuivre royaux et féodaux (1577-1684) Gérard Crépin CGKL Crépin, Grangien, Kuhn, Lafond Les Chevau-Légers Paris, France 2002 CGKL #666 appears to be the closest but the match is not exact. Monnaies féodales de France Faustin Poey d'Avant Tome 3. Artois, Bourgogne, Champagne, Dauphiné, Flandre, Franche-Comté, Picardie, Ponthieu, Vermandois Rollin et Feuardent Paris, France 1862 http://books.google.fr/books? The closest appears to be #6207 but it is not an exact match. Monnaies Francaises Provenciales Emile Boudeau The above book is a reprint in my library. It too was consulted. Regrettably, it contains only 7 distinct types from the Principaute de Chateau-Renaud (part of the Champagne district), of which number 1820 is the closest to the subject coin, but, it too is not an exact match.
Cool. It is quite possible it's a new variety, but I've seen several that differ wildly and they still don't change anything. God that the source is online. If these older references are very difficult and expensive to fun a physical copy of.
