Does this look like retained wood debris from the strike thru???

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  1. DysfunctionalVeteran

    DysfunctionalVeteran Oddly enough

    Is this leftover wood remaining in the coin from the strike through??
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  3. C-B-D

    C-B-D Well-Known Member

    Pretty cool, but who knows what material that is? Might be able to determine it with a microscope.
     
  4. Insider

    Insider Talent on loan from...

    The wood chips used to dry the planchets are normally very small similar to whatever is inside the "O" of "one (they look like wood).

    There are "grain lines" inside the struck through so perhaps you have the biggest "struck thru wood" I have ever seen!
     
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  5. DysfunctionalVeteran

    DysfunctionalVeteran Oddly enough

    Its my hopes that im lucky enough to have been in the right place at the right time again. Hopefully, everything works out and this one does become mine. Wood or not, its still a huge strike thru and will look nice with my errors.

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  6. cpm9ball

    cpm9ball CANNOT RE-MEMBER

    This is just my opinion, but I don't think the strikethrough was caused by wood. If you are assuming it was wood based on the brown spots inside the "O", you would have to wonder why the strikethrough obliterated all of the affected devices including the "N" of "ONE" but not most of the right side of the "O".

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  7. Cascade

    Cascade CAC Grader, Founding Member

    Looks more like a lamination. Notice how devices still formed under it. If it is a steikethrough it would be something viscous or maluable and not hard like wood
     
  8. Insider

    Insider Talent on loan from...

    The right side of the "O" is RESESSED INTO the die. A hard, solid piece of debris would affect the dies surface not the incuse area. Note that a corner of the "E" (recessed into the die also) was affected too. I guess in this case the wood did not allow anything to reach the "N." The grain lines are evidence of something hard and not soft. Who knows, I was not there when the coin was struck. ;)
     
  9. Insider

    Insider Talent on loan from...

    Probably not. Laminations virtually always have sharp edges on high grade coins. They rarely have "grain lines" in their interior.
     
  10. Cascade

    Cascade CAC Grader, Founding Member

    If it was hard how did some devices still form?
     
  11. cpm9ball

    cpm9ball CANNOT RE-MEMBER

    Bah humbug! The eagle's tail feathers are recessed (not resessed). The olive branch is recessed. The wreath is recessed. Why are they affected but the "O" is not?

    Chris
     
  12. messydesk

    messydesk Well-Known Member

    There is routinely retained sawdust on 84-O and 85-O Morgans. It looks like there's some by the eagle's upper right wing tip and perhaps the O in ONE. The large flaw seems more like a strike thru than a lamination to me. There's no sign of planchet impurity in the defective area. There is grain, as mentioned earlier. The ghosted design would have been due to the fact that wood compresses a bit when struck, transferring energy through to the planchet, leaving a little of the design behind. Mint schmutz ("grease" from filled dies) doesn't compress, rather it packs into recesses and fills detail.
     
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  13. Insider

    Insider Talent on loan from...

    :rolleyes: Read my post. AAGGAAIINN. ;)
     
  14. DysfunctionalVeteran

    DysfunctionalVeteran Oddly enough

    Give it about a week and I will have it in hand. Then, we can figure this one out.

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  15. DysfunctionalVeteran

    DysfunctionalVeteran Oddly enough

    Sorry to keep these out of the first post but but offer had not been accepted yet. Since it has been accepted, these can go up now.
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  16. Insider

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    DysfunctionalVeteran, said: "Sorry to keep these out of the first post."

    IMO, that WAS "Dysfunctional!"
     
  17. DysfunctionalVeteran

    DysfunctionalVeteran Oddly enough

    Well, what can i say? Got wood?

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  18. paddyman98

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    What kind of wood is that? Stained wood? Might be Chocolate :smug:
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  19. Insider

    Insider Talent on loan from...

    Sawdust was used but I never heard/read what type of wood. That would be a really neat part of minting history. An analysis of the chips. Bet the wood used in Philly would differ from that at San Francisco too. ;)
     
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  20. cpm9ball

    cpm9ball CANNOT RE-MEMBER

    So, what am I missing?

    Chris
     
  21. Cascade

    Cascade CAC Grader, Founding Member

    I can see that. I've just never seen a wood chip S/T so large covering so much of the devices before. Interesting
     
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