Brutus issue AV fake?

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  1. Michael Clarke

    Michael Clarke Well-Known Member

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  3. Mikey Zee

    Mikey Zee Delenda Est Carthago

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  4. red_spork

    red_spork Triumvir monetalis

    What makes you think it's fake?
     
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  5. dougsmit

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    All gold EID MAR coins have been called fake by one 'expert' or another. The holed one has the best shot at being genuine. There are also conspiracy theorists who believe the entire EID MAR issue is a concoction of fakers a couple hundred years ago but 99% of us accept the silver ones and the great majority recognize the gold option. The British museum has one that was once the property of King George III that is certainly a fake (the king had faults other than his numismatic skills). How many others are out there lurking in collections of people who have no intention of telling you they have one? IDK. How many real ones exist? My answer would be two with an error factor of plus or minus two.
    https://www.bundesbank.de/Redaktion...Coin_and_banknote_collection/brutus_gold.html
     
  6. Aethelred

    Aethelred The Old Dead King

    @Doug, is there a photo of the BM ex. George III example avaliable?
     
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  8. Dionysos

    Dionysos Well-Known Member

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  9. Carthago

    Carthago Does this look infected to you?

    It was on my list of coins to examine when I was at the British Museum a few weeks ago, but being on display it would have been a real hassle for staff to pull it. I'll take it.
     
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  10. IdesOfMarch01

    IdesOfMarch01 Well-Known Member

    If you feel so inclined to take the time, I'd love to read more about your analysis of this coin when you examined it in hand, the criteria you considered in order to assess whether it was genuine, and how certain you felt about each of those criteria.
     
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  11. TypeCoin971793

    TypeCoin971793 Just a random guy on the internet

    If it is fake, then the square hole is a nice touch. ;)

    My Gordian IV antoniniaunus has a nice square hole in it. Since it was in one of those uncleaned lots from ebay, I assume that the hole was contemporary to the coin.
     
  12. Smojo

    Smojo dreamliner

    Maybe I'm looking at that through the eyes of an older mechanic & not of my young upcoming ingineer friend. But its not really square & it's not really round either. In my world that hole is out of tolerance. lol :D
     
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  13. Bing

    Bing Illegitimi non carborundum Supporter

    I find some holes to be nearly square, making me believe it was made by an ancient nail. Take this Quintillus for example:
    Quintillus 1.jpg
     
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  14. Smojo

    Smojo dreamliner

    You're probably right Bing.
    I was making a joke typecoin got it, I knew he would.
     
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  15. TypeCoin971793

    TypeCoin971793 Just a random guy on the internet

    I've made several square holes roundish with a circular peg, and vice-versa.

    If it don't fit, MAKE IT FIT!!! I don't care how much C-4 it takes!
     
  16. Bing

    Bing Illegitimi non carborundum Supporter

    It can always fit (somehow). You ought to see me with Ikea stuff. Believe me, I can make it fit.
     
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  17. Smojo

    Smojo dreamliner

    Yeah Gstream is pretty strict, not like Boeing at all. Speaking of, companies are doing what ever they can to get the G600 contract. Keep your eyes peeled that would be great experience for you.
    C4 oh yeah, thats fun stuff.
     
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  18. TypeCoin971793

    TypeCoin971793 Just a random guy on the internet

     
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  19. TypeCoin971793

    TypeCoin971793 Just a random guy on the internet

    Awww, someone jealous that they can’t have a coin they can’t afford?

    That coin was die-matched under a microscope to every known genuine silver piece. Its exact die state fit into the progression of the silver examples without any extraneous die defects. Now, with that explained, it’s now time for you to explain how it us the “worst fake ever.”
     
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  20. Terence Cheesman

    Terence Cheesman Well-Known Member

    IMG_4582 (2).JPG Back in September 2018 I was in London and took the opportunity to visit the British Museum. I actually visited twice as on the second day I had planned to walk to the National Gallery, it was raining so hard that I ducked into the BM again. While at the BM I was able to view a large number of exceptional coins, but like pretty well every museum display that I have ever seen the coins were simply too far away to be seen clearly. I did see the Brutus Aureus that is the subject to debate on this thread and tried to take a picture
    View attachment 1355367 Even though I had my camera about as close as I could I am still pretty far away but the hole, the indentation on the edge as well as the scratch in the field are all clearly visible. I cannot say that this proves or even has any bearing on the legitimacy of this coin, but in my mind I would think that this is evidence for its authenticity
    A few other treasures IMG_4549 (1).JPG
    Biggest piece of Swedish plate money that I had ever seen. It was bigger than a skate board. IMG_4546 (1).JPG A hoard of British medieval Gold. IMG_4533 (1).JPG Some "Owls" including a Dek I must apologies for my rather poor photos.
     
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