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I found this reference.

"Hubbing was employed for transferring the design from one iron block to another (in Italy, 530 bc)."

Here

https://medalblog.wordpress.com/tag/coin-dies/

 

I'm not sure what thread you are referring to. It varied by series and era, of course, but yes, for many series there is a single mintmark punch that was used for many years. You have unique and identifiable mintmarks because of this. For example, on the Mercury dime series, there were three different D punches used for the entire series (and the same punch was also used on Lincoln cents of the same years), or 7 different S mintmark punches used for the entire series.

David Lange, in his "Complete Guide to Mercury Dimes" discussed these and shows pictures on pages 34-35.

 

By the 1870's, all dies produced at the mint were produced with the hubbing process.

For US coins, the information you seek can be found in Roger Burdette's authoritative text, "From Mine to Mint", page 380 - 400. There are extensive descriptions of the process in the book, how it changed over time, and a reproduction of Peale's report from the French mint:

 

Are you suggesting that the punches were made by an outside entity? Do you have a reference?

In the early days of the mint, all of the devices were hand engraved by the master engraver at the mint. No punches at all were used.

Later, punches were developed for items like stars, letters, numbers, etc. As far as I know, these punches were created at the mint. For security reasons, the mint would have wanted to keep all aspects of die creation under tight control.

 

Yes. That was big news to me also. The reference who has seen the documentation posts on another forum. I'll need to call him back as he told me it that much of the piece work was done outside the Mint.

 

A person who has seen a document is not a "reference." The document is the reference, they are merely a conduit to the information.

Who is this person? Give us a poster name and which forum they are on? (I'd really like the ultimate reference - the documents they have "seen", but I'll take a conduit to the reference in the meantime). Some forumites are highly reliable - if you give a well known and respected source, it will be a lot more credible than Joe_whohasseenaliens_1974

 

Problem is some numismatists work in the background doing research and writing books. As I understood, this information has not been published yet an is not widely known. After I reached out to him, I posted that I was shocked to hear of "outside" sources. I assumed things were different then not as the outside vendors of today!

If he wishes to give me something more, I'll post it. In the meantime, something in the National Archives such as a bill to the mint for punches dated 18-something (if that is what he has seen) is good enough to convince me. And thank you very much.

 

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I've read this in his book. I thought we were trying to find out how the device punches were made - hubbed or cut? Now, I also wish to find out who made them. I was told on Thursday one of the sources but I did not write it down. It may have been Paquet. Anyway, more to come.

 

@physics-fan3.14

My source for information of "outside" vendors doing work for the mint (punches, dies) has told me the information is contained in letters at the National Archives some of which he has made copies of while doing research there. After leaving the Mint, Paquet did some of this work.

If you require actual PROOF, you'll need to cross-the-pond and visit the archives. His word and knowledge is good enough for me. One day, copies of the letters will possibly be in another of his many books.

 

No pond-crossing, needed, I live in the US. NARA letters would definitely be sufficient proof.

Who is this mystery poster/person you are referring to?

 

The great majority of the two above quotes are simple copy/paste jobs taken from other sites. The original authors rightfully deserve credit for their work, so with all due respect, please allow me to cite your apparent sources for you...

http://coins.about.com/od/coinsglossary/g/coin_hubbing.htm

http://www.madehow.com/Volume-2/Coin.html

 

Never claimed they were my quotes. But whatever blows your skirt up.

 

By not attributing or citing your sources, you implied that they were yours. When you quote something, you cite references. High school English.

 

And forum rules!

 

I thought you lived in England. Can you keep a secret?

Neither of us are interested in sharing that information at the moment.
You know where the actual letters are - go for it.

 

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