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  1. Insider

    Insider Talent on loan from...

    Can you tell me how a letter set punch is made?
     
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  3. jester3681

    jester3681 Exonumia Enthusiast

    Carefully.
     
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  4. Get Real

    Get Real Active Member

    I assume that you are asking about the industrial made Die Stamps/Punches that you can purchase? Those can be made from the "lost Mold" or "Sand Casting" processes or the more modern way by using a CNC Lathe. If your question was to the old way, blacksmithing, here is a cool video that may help you.

     
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    Hommer Curator of Semi Precious Coinage

  6. Insider

    Insider Talent on loan from...

    Thanks! I'm wondering how the star punches were made for our large cent coins long ago.
     
  7. cpm9ball

    cpm9ball CANNOT RE-MEMBER

    Go to any hardware store that carries these sets, and take note of the name & location of the company that makes them. Then, contact the company and ask to speak to one of the supervisors on the production line.

    That's what I did when we had to design and construct a bridge out of toothpicks for our AutoCAD class. I wanted to use square toothpicks but I didn't want the ends tapered to a point. So, I asked one of the supervisors if they sold the toothpicks without the tapered ends.

    Chris
     
  8. Get Real

    Get Real Active Member

    Im not following you, What Star and What large Cent are you referring to?

    Here is a link to a company that makes customized Hubs, Dies, Punches, Stamps and other things that you might like and find helpful. They explain how they make their products on this site.
    http://www.steel-stamps.com/Stamps.htm
    I'm sure they wouldn't mind if you email them a couple of questions if you like.
     
  9. Insider

    Insider Talent on loan from...

    Already did something similar before I posted the question. I called three companies on the Internet that sell the sets. Unfortunately, the people there did not have an answer because the products they sell are imported. :facepalm::(

    :confused: All the stars, numbers, and letters that were punched into the dies that made Large cents.

    BTW, thanks, I don't think I called the folks at your link.
     
  10. GDJMSP

    GDJMSP Numismatist Moderator

    Simple answer, they were hand cut, both single and gang punches.
     
  11. Insider

    Insider Talent on loan from...

    You are correct and I've learned that most of this work was "farmed-out" in the early days of the Mint. Modern die sets are reproduced using CNC (? too lazy to look it up) machines, lasers, etc. What I wish to find out is if there was a time when die sets were "hubbed" in batches say from 1870's to 1950's rather than hand-cut.

    Some members on CT insist that only one, single, unique "D" shape punch was used to produce all the dies for a decade.
     
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  12. GDJMSP

    GDJMSP Numismatist Moderator

    I have tried for many years to determine when hubbing was first used. As of yet I have not found an answer to that question !
     
  13. usmc60

    usmc60 SEMPER FI

    I'm wondering if the ops is referring to one like this
    1838 LARGE CENT
    1838LargeCentObv.jpg ?
    GD the closest I came to answering that question. It was determined back in the Roman days they had a form what they called hand hubbing.. Still searching the records.USCM60
     
  14. GDJMSP

    GDJMSP Numismatist Moderator

    I think what you are referring to USCM60 is the use of punches, both single and gang type. But that isn't hubbing, not even close.
     
  15. usmc60

    usmc60 SEMPER FI

    Thanks GD. I heard that over 17 years ago when I first started collecting. Can't remember who or where. Just a faint memory.:spam::blackalien:
     
  16. usmc60

    usmc60 SEMPER FI

    Over the years I kinda agree with this definition.

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  17. serafino

    serafino Well-Known Member


    Call them up ??? You better be fluent in Chinese and be prepared for the long distance charges for a call to China :)

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  18. GDJMSP

    GDJMSP Numismatist Moderator

    See if you can find an answer to this question Insider - please ! @Insider
     
  19. cpm9ball

    cpm9ball CANNOT RE-MEMBER

    Can you prove that?

    Chris
     
  20. Insider

    Insider Talent on loan from...

    I'm already looking in to it with respect to letter punches. I'll also try to find out when it occurred at the mint. Now, we do already know (?) that Liberty's head was punched into a die separately and I guess that would be considered "hubbing" right? Evidence for this should be the doubled profiles. The clincher would be if overlays of the head for a specific date matched each N# with only a few possible points of "touch-up" work.
     
  21. usmc60

    usmc60 SEMPER FI

    GD unless someone comes up with something different. I would have to go with this definition.
    History
    Human civilizations have long used metals as a medium for exchange. In addition to their long-lasting properties, metals lend themselves easily to melting and casting. As early as 1000 B.C. , the Chinese were using a type of metal token to represent payment. .............

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