1971-D Kennedy DDO

Found today, any opinions as to what variety this is? Not listed in Cherrypickers', but resembles doubling shown for 1971S-103

 

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It displays some split serifs, but not all doubled dies are listed in the CPG. If that were the case, the book would be several inches thick.

Chris

 

This!

All too often someone will come here and question why a certain variety isn't listed in cherrypickers, seemingly without understanding that the books are essentially a popularity contest. Most varieties listed within are either the more valuable, significant, and/or more popular of their type, but this in no way means there are not many, many, many others out there. More, and in particular new collectors need to understand that the CPGs are about as far as one can get from an all-inclusive definitive variety reference, and that more/better variety information can often be found online for free. This isn't to say there's anything wrong with the books; they're certainly fine tools, but as with any tool, is only as useful as the individual using it and is why it's important to understand their limitations.

As for identifying or attributing your coin, you may want to start here...

http://varietyvista.com/Variety Master Listings/kennedy doubled dies 1971-1994.htm

Not perfect or ideal, but can often give a starting point for further research. That said, we've a few members who've shown themselves to be very knowledgeable in this area and may be, if they see this and are willing, able to offer some assistance. @atrox001 @19Lyds

 

Hence the original question

 

Ah ha! "an all inclusive definitive variety reference". That's what I'm talking about...in another thread of my own. But looks like it is not going to happen. I need something I can read and study, read and study some more. I have spent endless hours online, often never finding what I'm looking for. I ain't got that many more years, ya know.

 

And a starting point was given. Was that not enough, or would you prefer I do it for you?

My apologies for wasting my time.

 

Apparently a lot of incorrect assumptions have been made here. MY apologies for not expressing due gratitude for giving a useful reference... Thank you for that.

That being said, I think you read a lot into my OP that wasn't there . I was simply asking if any knowledgeable members might share their opinions about my coin. Quite possibly someone is very familiar with this variety? Yes, I stated that it's not listed in CPG, and, I pointed out how similar it looks the 1971S-103 listed in same. I'm not sure why you interpreted that as my lack of understanding of it's limitations, or an expectation on my part that it should be an "all-inclusive definitive variety reference". Of course there are many, many, many known varieties and maybe more yet to be identified, which is why I posted the question as my starting point, in the hopes that someone may have firsthand info. I value the knowledge and experience of many of the members here and the helpful part of your reply, and if no one can offer an easy answer I will continue to do the research...

Myself Thank you

 

There are seventeen DDO 71D’s listed in the CONECA listings. I have all but one in my collection, the 71D DDO-012/DDR-006. Using the IN and the doubling on the bottom end of the S in TRUST as PUP, I compared yours with mine and found no match. I also have a half roll of 71D DDO’s that I have found over the years that I believe to be minor, and no match there. My experience with this tells me you should spend the $8.00 and send this one to James Wiles (CONECA).
Larry Nienaber

 

Do try and remember that you're not the only person reading this. Even if you started it and the coin is yours, others may take from the thread as well. You may understand the CPG's limitations, but not everyone does and is why, even if of no help to you, the two posts you took issue with are valid contributions to this thread.

That said, as far as I'm concerned you've now gotten advice as solid as could reasonably be hoped for. If the gentleman suggests you submit the coin to Mr. Wiles, it is probably in your best interests to do so. Good luck.

 

I have found 7 of the 71 D, Three I cannot identify. Though I do not have yours.
varietyvista.com has images for 8 of the 17

 

Post some pictures...maybe I can help. I think the best PUP for the 71D's are the IN and ST.

Larry Nienaber

 

On the reverse, does your coin have a die gouge line under A of STATES as illustrated in this photo?

 

Also, What does the L in LIBERTY look like compared to this photo?

 

I was able to understand what you were asking in your OP - I guess some just have a “reading comprehension” issue …..

 

If that's the case, you're in good company. You pop in here often enough to know some of the membership isn't familiar with what the CPG actually represents, and because of this should understand the purpose behind the additions to this thread. If they were of no help to the OP, that's fine, but is a stretch for you to assume the question wasn't understood.

 

No stretch on my part, just going by the written record. Op asked for opinions of a 1971-D Kennedy half dollar that he found stating that (it didn’t match the two listed) not listed in the Cherrypickers’ Guide.

The OP never questioned “why” it was not listed in the Cherrypickers’ Guide, probably realizing like most collectors that only a few die varieties make the cut for this book.

If you want a thread on the “Limitation of the Cherrypickers’ Guide” feel free to start one but no need to hijack the OP’s thread especially when he never brought it up.

For the record, I’m leaning towards the 1971-D DDO-001, that is why I asked for comparison of the two pictures posted (trying to answer the OP’s question and not trying to hijack his thread).

 

Like it or not, others do read these threads and they (this or any) do not exist solely for the OP. If the desire was to discuss only the aforementioned limitations, it certainly could've been considered hijacking, but that's not the case here, and certainly not what Chris or I intended. Disagree if you will, but when someone mentions the CPG, that (they believe) their coin isn't listed, and says how it "resembles" one that is, pointing out said limitations isn't an unreasonable addition.

That said, I am glad you found this thread as I remembered your experience in this area when tagging the other gentlemen, but couldn't recall your username.

 

Good Call Caleb...after reading your post I went back and compared the OP photos to the 71D DDO-001. The die scratches under the N in IN and the small die gouge above the W in WE in his photos do match the 71D DDO-001. See attached -001 photos.
Larry Nienaber

 

Mr. Nienaber - The little die gouge over the W matched my example too but was waiting to hear from the OP about the die marker on the reverse and the doubling on the L in LIBERTY before calling it for sure.

Sure would like to find the darn 71-D DDO-011 and DDO-012, bet they all went through the slot machines in Vegas.

Caleb