1908 Barber Proof Quarter

Discussion in 'US Coins Forum' started by Silverhouse, Oct 3, 2016.

  1. Insider

    Insider Talent on loan from...

    @Silverhouse posted: "I don't think I know more than the experts and I did not buy the coin to prove anything." :oops::sorry: When I first read your post it seemed you bought it because it was a "detailed" coin. My error. :eggface::facepalm::shame:

    "However, ANA grading guidelines with standing, if the coin at any point in its life has been cleaned lightly swiped or polished to me, it's a details coin." To you and me. We agree 100% on this. Unfortunately, we cannot change the standards of "market acceptability" that are made by the TPGS and the dealers who "make" the market.

    "I am not that good yet at Discerning between hairlines from a polished die, and actual hairline scratches which to me on this coin looks like it has hairline scratches from a light cleaning. It was hard to tell that from the pictures." Pictures lie; the first image you posted of the coin in its slab does not. Obviously, you are selling yourself short as you picked up the light cleaning right away when others may not have.

    "I'm not that arrogant to think that I know more than anybody else. I've Just Seen discussions about PCGS putting problem coins and straight graded holders that's all." I did not intend to make you seem arrogant or knew more than the professional graders; however, my use of the word "you" plus the tone of my post DOES indicate that. :( So, I deserve to be put in my place as I tend to be very caustic. The more important thing is for you to KEEP YOUR OWN STANDARDS but be aware of what is practiced in the real coin market. As I already posted, IMO, this coin is graded in the correct range.

    "... and that wasn't very fair taking a jab at me that the only people that would buy this at this price point with problems like this, or something to that effect come on man, really? This one is personal preference for a specific type set that I'm doing." Again, no one can tell anyone what to collect only give advice. I will not retract anything I said in the final sentence. All our purchases are governed by our needs, wants, and budget. Mine and yours...as a matter of fact, if I could afford it, I should like to have a coin like yours to demonstrate one-sided hairlines.
     
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  3. Silverhouse

    Silverhouse Well-Known Member

    By the way I'm not upset at your comment. I'm always eager to learn.
     
  4. BooksB4Coins

    BooksB4Coins Newbieus Sempiterna

    No, but the wise sure as hell can avoid it and learn to think for themselves. Collectors accepting of this crap are doing themselves no favors and, as it could most reasonably be argued, are only contributing to the decline of this hobby as a whole. A few scattered hairlines from light handling or the like, fine... but this is something else altogether and as far as I am concerned is a disgrace.
     
  5. Insider

    Insider Talent on loan from...

    Then the ANA standards need to be changed but as many here agree, they are not followed anyway. :arghh:


    Thank goodness; but I am as they caused you some grief.
     
  6. Silverhouse

    Silverhouse Well-Known Member

     
  7. Silverhouse

    Silverhouse Well-Known Member

    Lol whoops. No harm done
     
    Last edited: Oct 5, 2016
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  8. Kirkuleez

    Kirkuleez 80 proof

    If not for hairlines or carbon spots, how would a proof coin below a PR-70 ever straight grade. I've been a collector of early proof US coins for about thirty years, and I have to say that the grading standards among the top TOGs has been extremely consistent. Save for the grade jump for nicely toned coins, the amount of hairlines and carbon spots that you can expect of a proof coin has remained so consistent that I buy sight unseen quite regularly. In fact, I'll give away one if my buying secrets, buy proofs that are graded by top TPGs with bad photos; you can get them at bargain prices.
     
  9. Insider

    Insider Talent on loan from...

    I'm not telling @Kirkuleez anything, this is for others. In the old days there were Proofs and Impaired Proofs. It was easy to tell the difference. Obviously, grading is more detailed today.

    Random minor hairlines are NOT what is on the obverse of the OP proof. That is light buffing.

    Proofs are graded by marks (usually none to very few), hairlines, and spots (milk & carbon). I agree that the TPGS are fairly consistent.
     
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